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anniversary happy anniversary a happy

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anniversary Louis what is it paper this

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year diamond gold paper I have to look

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it up everything yeah I don't I don't

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know about how that applies to

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podcasting and UFO investigative work

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but yeah you might be onto something

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yeah it's probably the probably like a

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gray skin there's the three oh yeah yeah

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yeah or fitting yeah so uh when we did

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our second year we had George Knapp we

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hit our 100th anniversary or 100th

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episode we have Jacques valet it just

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works out every time it's a big day for

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us we have a massive guest and today

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we've got John Ramirez uh sadly this is

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John Ramirez second last interview he's

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only doing one after this and then by

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his own declaration he's stepping back

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until disclosure happens so I'm super

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pumped up just to know that it's gonna

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happen and it's not just Stephen Bassett

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being the only one out there screaming

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that it's coming in months not years so

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uh Jay I know we also wanted to pull our

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audience I think you went with Twitter

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this time you yeah we've got a lot of a

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tree when they knew that John was coming

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on because he said so many things under

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their podcast that we've all been paying

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attention to but he hasn't elaborated on

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so we got a few uh selected uh great

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questions from our our listeners for

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sure and maybe we can fill in some of

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those gaps and uh tie up some loose ends

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a vague answer and you ask again ask

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confirming that there's uh meta

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materials and bits and pieces of UFO

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craft that the government have so good

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cop good cop exactly we're gonna do in

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our usual style we will ask and if it is

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not sufficient we will ask again until

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we get the answer John is a very

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amicable guy I don't think we're gonna

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have to literally yank it like teeth out

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of his head but if we need to yank teeth

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out of the head we're doing it today

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because it's our third year anniversary

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I'm excited Jay I threw my back out this

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morning so I apologize yes she did yeah

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in fact I threw my backwood about 30

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minutes ago I had to get my wife help me

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shower and and get dressed not a very

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proud moment I'm not gonna lie but uh

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I'm here wouldn't miss this show for the

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world we've done shows with kovid you

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but this is what this is what commitment

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looks like buddy absolutely yeah welcome

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to it Third Year Anniversary we'll be

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right back with Mr John Ramirez right

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here on UAP studies podcasts

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welcome back to another very special

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episode of UAP studies podcast it is our

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third year anniversary as we mentioned

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in the intro and I couldn't think of a

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greater guest to have with us today I

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think our first year was our second year

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was George Knapp then we hit 100

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episodes we had Jacques valet yeah and

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we had the man himself John Ramirez this

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is his second last interview before

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stepping out of the Limelight a little

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bit so we're very uh proud and thankful

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that he was able to join us today and

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for those who don't know who John

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Ramirez is he served in his CIA from

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1984 to 2009 and the directorate of

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Science and Technology also the

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directorate of intelligence and the

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odini national counter proliferation

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Center I said that without screwing it

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up it's a mouthful Louie John

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specializes in signals intelligence

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ballistic missile defense weapon system

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radar technical collection operations uh

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he's the former Chief of the electronic

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intelligence analysis branch and he's

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also a member of The Association of

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Former Intelligence Officers and the

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Central Intelligence retired Diaries

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Association so now that I nailed that

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welcome to the show John Ramirez well

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Louie and Jason thank you very much for

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having me I'm kind of honored to be on

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your uh show for this August anniversary

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um and uh following the footsteps of uh

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my colleague Jim simeivan so I'm very

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very flattered I'm just gonna say you

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know why have me on everything he said

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you know refer to Jim pay attention to

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him yeah yeah I was at gs-15

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um and that's uh the equivalent Army

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rank is Colonel a bird colonel wearing

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an eagle

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um but Jim was uh in the equivalent of a

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general in the CIA so he was in much

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higher position did not know that much

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more accessor he he and I both earned

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the career intelligence medal I usually

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admit that in my BIOS

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uh so but yeah he's well connected

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um better more so than I I have been but

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intelligence the analytical side and of

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course Science and Technology uh obvious

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what that was all about so I worked from

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the technical side and the analysis side

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was the actual spy who was trained how

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to recruit foreigners to work for the

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United States government so he has those

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skills the kind of skills that you see

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we're the guys that squirt away

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underneath the basement uh wearing the

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headphones like I am now listening and

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tuning into like signals yeah so that's

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of the Jason uh Bjorn kind of guy yeah

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yeah yeah so usually we uh we go through

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guests tell us you know what got you

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into the field and all that you've done

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there we want to make the best use of

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our time with you today so we've also

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people submitted questions so Jason's

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episode uh and we'll just get ray to it

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here so I understand you are an

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experiencer as well uh maybe you can

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tell us a little bit about your personal

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experiences that you've had yes um I've

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been experienced this since um childhood

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four years old was the first time where

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I looked through a telescope and through

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that telescope I felt like that um

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I didn't belong on the planet this is a

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strange feeling that I belong out there

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amongst the Stars I was looking at uh

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the moon and the nearby planets

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um the owner of the telescope was uh my

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parents landlord and he was an amateur

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astronomer in Japan and so he brought

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his telescope and that got me interested

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in space at a very young age

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and so I felt like yeah you know I want

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to be out in space because that's where

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I belong and I don't know how I ended up

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you know and you know it's been like

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um when I was five years old living with

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my aunt and uncle in the state of

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Virginia

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um that I actually saw my first craft

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um it had no means of propulsion it

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didn't have the Telltale Gondola

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underneath with propellers nothing like

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that it was just the shape of a of a

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blimp like a giant Tic Tac if you will

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the right of where we're playing

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in front of um the place I was staying

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at it was a children's playground across

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the street and I pointed to this object

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and none of my cousins or my Playmates

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saw it they didn't know I was pointing

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to and I saw it plain as they lifting

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out of the uh above the forest line and

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going gently outward and disappearing

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had and shortly thereafter

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um when my mother joined us from Japan

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she stayed in Japan uh to learn English

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sister and I meet in Virginia and

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um at that time I started having these

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uh occurrences of remembering of um

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being taken to a house where I was

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examined

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by a woman leading me to the house not

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my mother and a doctor and a nurse there

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dressed up very much like we would call

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Victorian eragar with Victorian looking

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um on office excuse me I need to cough

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it's allergy season yeah I know it's

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it's plaguing us here in Arizona of all

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places but anyway long story short you

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know that was another experience I had

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of being examined by this doctor and

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this nurse

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um recently I recalled and I should have

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known before that I remember an

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inoculation of some sort being given to

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in my arm

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these memories happen more than once

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that was like at least three I remember

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two going into this examining room on

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the first floor and one time going to

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the examining room on the second floor

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now you know you

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um look into the UFO literature the

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ephology literature and just this thing

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called You Know cover memories that this

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could have been a cover memory that you

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may have been taking aboard a craft and

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you may have been examined but this is

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the memory they gave you so that you

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could handle it uh that could be true I

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don't know

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but I do know that something like that

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occurred to the point where I asked my

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mother when I was still being very young

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uh as these uh occurrences would happen

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about examining being examined by a

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doctor you like to go to the doctor's

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office mom and she says no nothing like

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and so this is just a few of the

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examples that I've had in other uh

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podcasts I've mentioned them in greater

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greater detail but those were the

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beginning ones that I've had and I

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wanted to be judicious of your time so

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I'd be happy to entertain more questions

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well the uh well it's interesting that

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you've had these occurrences when you

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recall them were they at night time or

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or daytime like was this while you were

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when I had them which is why uh I was

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compelled to ask my mother about them it

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wasn't like I had a dream and then I

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asked my mother about the dream

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um it felt like it really did happen to

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did it happen right apparently my mother

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said nothing like that happened yet I

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have a conscious memory of something

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like that occurring and there was three

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entities or three people in the room

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with you uh the woman who led me to this

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house

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um stayed outside and picked me up after

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the examining examination was over and

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led me out of the house interesting um

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so the examination actually occurred in

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the room with the doctor and a nurse so

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two people examined me and the woman who

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led me to the examining room stayed

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outside

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interesting yeah were there any these

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were like human looking people yeah very

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much human absolutely so what do you

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make of that were they hybrids was this

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I don't know because you know a cover

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memory they can appear to be anything

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they want you that's true remember

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and so I I can't say that they were

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hybrids they were

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et's of of the gray type or any of the

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other uh

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typical

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ETS that people have seen yeah I can't

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say that it's just that they presented

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themselves to me as human as human as uh

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you and I uh are so yeah and on that

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note what do you make of all the

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different species that people have

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reported I mean even the former Canadian

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Defense Minister Paul Hellyer he

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estimated there was over 83 species

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that's crazy like not just aliens exist

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there's dozens and dozens of them I mean

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we've got reptilians nordics Grays avian

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Blues tall gray short Grays what do you

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make yes um uh people call it uh Mr

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Hellyer and others such as the Israeli

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um equivalent of the director of nro

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called him a federation

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and I've heard a better term

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um Commonwealth

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and as Canadians your Canadian owners

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knows that uh you're part of the

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historic British Commonwealth because

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your head of state is King Charles III

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but you're head of government is uh Mr

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Trudeau and so in that sense it's more

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of a commonwealth it's independent

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countries or independent races uh joined

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together for a common purpose

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and they themselves may have their own

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agendas they may then regulate

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themselves independently of the others

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with their own agendas and so I think

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that's what Mr Heller was referring to

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it's more of a commonwealth than a than

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a federation

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um as far as those who interact with us

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um I've heard and I can't attribute how

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I heard them unfortunately but I heard

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that there's only a limited number of

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them actually interfacing with humans

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that are allowed to interface with

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humans and like half a dozen and we tend

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to see these half dozen all the time and

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it's usually the typical reptilian

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looking pers uh person and I call them

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people because it's easier to think of

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them as people really seriously instead

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of like this creature from

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another place even though they might be

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creatures from another place I call them

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people

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to be at least a couple of types of

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Grays one taller than the other and then

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there is the Nordic a more human looking

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um as well and on The Reptilian side

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apparently there is a race that has been

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associated with the the Moon the Moon

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our moon on The Far Side of the Moon

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where remote viewers who've removed

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remote view The Far Side of the Moon

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were told explicitly by them never to

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come back do not do this

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and that was reported back to the U.S

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government because these were government

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remote viewers and that's in the

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literature now as well and uh so

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I would say maybe there's a half a dozen

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interfacing with us interacting with us

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oh I forgot one more the Blue Bean

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there's a being that has a kind of a

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blue scan

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and so these might be the folks who are

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uh interfacing with us and could be

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representing this Commonwealth of other

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beings that are out there as well

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we've explored the like the

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possibilities because there's a lot of

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theories out there about what these

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entities could be I mean Michael Paul

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Masters says they could be ultra

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tempestral meaning they may be us from

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the future they might be

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inter-dimensional as well right they

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occupy a dimension we can't see uh they

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could be extraterrestrial or it could be

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a collective of all of them there could

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be so much different variety and

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complexities to each one of these

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situations that that's what makes it

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difficult that even if we come out with

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disclosure and people are aware we don't

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understand the full picture because

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there's just so much that we're not at

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that stage in our Evolution to people

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who comprehend properly so it's

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interesting because it's more reaction

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of how we are going to interact now

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socially

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and globally uh once we all admit that

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we have this issue in common yeah

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those are hypotheses that have been out

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there for a while

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um uh if you talk to Mr sunnyvan which

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you did um he uh here's to what he calls

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the ultra terrestrial hypotheses and the

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interdimensional hypotheses and along

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with that interdimensional hypotheses

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come the uh extra tempestral hypotheses

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as well it's blended into it

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um I I just concluded a week-long

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um

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conference hosted by a physicist

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associated with CIA that many people

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don't know but people should know his

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name is Dr Jack serfati and if you

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listen to his story in 1953 when he's a

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teenager he says that he got a phone

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call

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when he was a kid living in Brooklyn New

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York where he was contacted by

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identified A.I from the future who

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talked to her and receive he received

419
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downloads and that the ultimate message

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was that you're not going to be able to

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use this information right now but in

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your future you will

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and strange enough in his future he was

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he was contacted by CIA to work on these

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special projects related to this entire

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topic

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and so he has a lot of knowledge and so

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he is a strong proponent of the AI from

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the future

430
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and the more I think about it I think we

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can't discount that because people are

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wondering you know why are they back

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here are they trying to warn us of

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something that's occurring right now and

435
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you know what's occurring right now is

436
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Humanity's nascent exploration of AI

437
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and where that could lead good or bad

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and if they're back from the future

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let's say they could be here to warn us

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that what we're doing with AI the way

441
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we're going about it will have a very

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bad outcome or not very positive

443
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outcomes and they're here to help us

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steer what we should be doing with AI

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because I think it's a very powerful

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tool

447
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it's the next level of Technology more

448
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so than the nuclear age or any of the

449
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other ages Industrial Age the aih is an

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extension of what we would call the

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computer information technology age it's

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the ultimate expression because now

453
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we're dealing with

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um a non-organic entity AI taking on

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organic-like behaviors and properties

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and gosh the last thing I want is a

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Terminator coming back to us right so

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I'm not of course this is all

459
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speculation but um uh it I think it has

460
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a lot of traction and um and again I'm

461
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sorry for your audience I can't

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I cannot uh go back and uh accredit what

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I know but

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um

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I would not discount the uh

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time travelers from the future

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hypotheses at all I would I would hold

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that somewhat lightly

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but I would not discount it at all

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because I'm hearing more and more that

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this could be the answer to what's going

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on and in this conference uh Dr Safari

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laid out beautifully

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and and what I call layman's terms uh

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much to the disappointment of the other

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PhD physicists there who wanted to see

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math equations uh he laid out this case

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for this AI from the future how the tech

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Tac and other such Vehicles may have a

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Time component and time aspect to its

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technology and that its propulsion

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system and Consciousness melded together

483
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now whenever you say Consciousness in

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front of a physicist theoretical or

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applied they're going to completely

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dismiss you this Consciousness oh get

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out of here you're you're like you're a

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Looney Tune you know get out of here

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um but he actually believes that there

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is a Consciousness aspect and I can say

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that he's on the right track

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that the Consciousness aspect of this

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phenomena is something that government

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became very interested in

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and has always been interested in

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um going back to maybe perhaps Roswell

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because if you read the literature and

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if you believe the literature apparently

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there was some telepathic communication

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between one of the beings who survived

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and the humans

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some telepathy occurred and so if you

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look at the Roswell story and the

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aftermath of the Roswell story that

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becomes part of that narrative and was

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that true well so happens in 1947

507
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keeping in mind July 47 is Roswell and a

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few weeks later CIA was authorized to be

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created and was created on September

510
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1847 the later that year the Office of

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Naval intelligence and the CIA got

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together and started something called

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project chatter

514
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chatter do exploring uh the use of uh

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actually uh psychedelics

516
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in order to expand consciousness

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that's one of the program goals and that

518
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led to what we now know is MK Ultra and

519
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it's not about so much mind control as

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behavior modification

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and the purpose of MK Ultra was to

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modify the behavior of a foreign

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National who's highly placed in the

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government to convince that person that

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it's a good thing to be a traitor to his

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or her country to provide us with

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information that was the ultimate goal

528
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of MK Ultra

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um and so um

530
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leading off of that remote viewing which

531
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is all about communication you know like

532
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telepathic communication or I guess

533
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you say projecting one's Consciousness

534
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to a distant place

535
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in order to discern what might be at

536
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that distant place and it was part of uh

537
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spy tradecraft

538
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so all that could add up together for

539
00:21:34,730 --> 00:21:32,640
that compelling story that you know

540
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there's something to do with this higher

541
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Consciousness aspect of the phenomenon

542
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more so and Beyond just the cool

543
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propulsion system that makes it fly

544
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a conscious aspect plus a time travel as

545
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a source of that phenomenon coming back

546
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all melded together and so that combines

547
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already several conspiracy theories

548
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several things that are considered

549
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conspiracy theories and I'm hoping as

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um we go toward an era of disclosure

551
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which I can say is more truth Than

552
00:22:11,810 --> 00:22:09,120
Fiction and I just refer to Dr Gary

553
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:11,820
Nolan's talk he gave in New York City

554
00:22:17,330 --> 00:22:15,120
just recently he pretty much laid out

555
00:22:19,549 --> 00:22:17,340
what the government could say

556
00:22:21,649 --> 00:22:19,559
let's put it that way in the first round

557
00:22:25,310 --> 00:22:21,659
of disclosure which in itself is

558
00:22:27,529 --> 00:22:25,320
explosive but you know that all of this

559
00:22:30,590 --> 00:22:27,539
other all these other aspects may may

560
00:22:32,270 --> 00:22:30,600
come come forward from that point you

561
00:22:34,190 --> 00:22:32,280
mentioned your colleague Jackson fatty

562
00:22:36,110 --> 00:22:34,200
and also some of your other friends and

563
00:22:38,210 --> 00:22:36,120
colleagues like Jacques Valley Gary

564
00:22:41,870 --> 00:22:38,220
Nolan Jim semivan all have had

565
00:22:44,210 --> 00:22:41,880
experiences all are somehow enlightened

566
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:44,220
as a result so do you think that those

567
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:46,559
people were chosen maybe based on what

568
00:22:50,810 --> 00:22:47,760
they knew they were going to become in

569
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:50,820
the future or you know they they have a

570
00:22:53,930 --> 00:22:52,559
um an audience or they have the ear of

571
00:22:56,210 --> 00:22:53,940
the people therefore that's a good

572
00:22:57,950 --> 00:22:56,220
person for somebody to try to you know

573
00:22:59,450 --> 00:22:57,960
interface with do you think there's any

574
00:23:01,850 --> 00:22:59,460
connection with some of the bigger name

575
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:01,860
people in our our topic also having

576
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:04,080
experiences

577
00:23:09,770 --> 00:23:06,960
um it's interesting that members of the

578
00:23:12,890 --> 00:23:09,780
uh defense and civilian intelligence

579
00:23:16,190 --> 00:23:12,900
communities uh seem to have experiences

580
00:23:18,169 --> 00:23:16,200
and whether that's by choice uh then

581
00:23:20,570 --> 00:23:18,179
instead of you know by choice I mean

582
00:23:22,909 --> 00:23:20,580
because they were in CIA because they

583
00:23:26,450 --> 00:23:22,919
made a conscious decision to CCI career

584
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,460
that these experiences happen or it was

585
00:23:30,770 --> 00:23:28,799
the experience that led them to CIA in

586
00:23:34,250 --> 00:23:30,780
my case it was my experiences that got

587
00:23:35,870 --> 00:23:34,260
me interested in CIA that this was one

588
00:23:37,970 --> 00:23:35,880
one of my downloads you ought to work

589
00:23:40,730 --> 00:23:37,980
for CIA

590
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:40,740
um so I I that's up to them to to

591
00:23:44,450 --> 00:23:42,960
describe I would preface this that um

592
00:23:47,090 --> 00:23:44,460
other than Jim simeivan none of these

593
00:23:49,730 --> 00:23:47,100
folks are are I consider colleagues I'd

594
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:49,740
never work with them directly I've had

595
00:23:54,289 --> 00:23:52,559
uh conversations with Mr sunnyvan

596
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,299
um but with others uh it's more

597
00:24:00,289 --> 00:23:56,880
ancillary I know them through cutouts to

598
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:00,299
I never spoke with Dr Nolan directly or

599
00:24:06,049 --> 00:24:03,120
these other individuals Dr valet I did

600
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:06,059
meet at a conference uh Polo Harris's

601
00:24:11,690 --> 00:24:08,880
starworks USA conference in 2021.

602
00:24:13,250 --> 00:24:11,700
so I got a chance to uh to meet and

603
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:13,260
greet with him

604
00:24:17,149 --> 00:24:15,600
um but uh yeah I would say you know it

605
00:24:20,270 --> 00:24:17,159
there seems to be

606
00:24:22,130 --> 00:24:20,280
a correlation of put it that way between

607
00:24:23,090 --> 00:24:22,140
those in intelligence Community working

608
00:24:26,810 --> 00:24:23,100
this

609
00:24:30,110 --> 00:24:26,820
and these folks being experiencers but

610
00:24:32,570 --> 00:24:30,120
they're kind of hesitant to say so and

611
00:24:34,970 --> 00:24:32,580
so very few of them have come forward

612
00:24:37,549 --> 00:24:34,980
uh but maybe after disclosure they'd be

613
00:24:39,649 --> 00:24:37,559
a little more uh Freer to talk about

614
00:24:42,289 --> 00:24:39,659
their experiences and there'll be the

615
00:24:45,529 --> 00:24:42,299
stigma of disclosure is not just to

616
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:45,539
inform us who are UFO enthusiasts uh

617
00:24:49,549 --> 00:24:47,760
about this topic but you know how many

618
00:24:52,010 --> 00:24:49,559
of us are there are there like a million

619
00:24:54,110 --> 00:24:52,020
maybe two million but there are eight

620
00:24:55,970 --> 00:24:54,120
billion people on the planet and the

621
00:24:58,250 --> 00:24:55,980
purpose is to reach out to those eight

622
00:25:00,350 --> 00:24:58,260
billion people who don't even give this

623
00:25:03,049 --> 00:25:00,360
topic a second thought

624
00:25:05,330 --> 00:25:03,059
well but we do I mean we you know we

625
00:25:07,310 --> 00:25:05,340
love this topic it's we're enthusiastic

626
00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:07,320
for this topic we don't need to be

627
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:08,520
convinced

628
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:11,039
it's the others that we need to reach

629
00:25:15,529 --> 00:25:12,720
out to and I think that's the purpose of

630
00:25:18,169 --> 00:25:15,539
disclosures to bring everyone on board

631
00:25:20,750 --> 00:25:18,179
uh and then furthermore to allow

632
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:20,760
governments like yours in Canada uh the

633
00:25:26,450 --> 00:25:24,240
UK the other five eyes partners of ours

634
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:26,460
Australian New Zealand I believe they're

635
00:25:31,789 --> 00:25:29,279
sitting on a lot of information and uh

636
00:25:34,490 --> 00:25:31,799
Mr Heller the late uh Mr Hellyer would

637
00:25:36,289 --> 00:25:34,500
not have said what he said unless he

638
00:25:39,169 --> 00:25:36,299
knew that he could back it up but he

639
00:25:41,149 --> 00:25:39,179
wasn't able to reveal any information to

640
00:25:42,890 --> 00:25:41,159
back up his claims

641
00:25:45,769 --> 00:25:42,900
um and I think all of that information

642
00:25:47,930 --> 00:25:45,779
is sitting there might come forward but

643
00:25:50,269 --> 00:25:47,940
Canada UK New Zealand and Australia

644
00:25:51,649 --> 00:25:50,279
waiting for the U.S to make that first

645
00:25:55,130 --> 00:25:51,659
step forward

646
00:25:57,230 --> 00:25:55,140
and then I am hoping to see a floodgates

647
00:26:00,110 --> 00:25:57,240
the floodgates open for more information

648
00:26:01,010 --> 00:26:00,120
to come out removing the stigma from uh

649
00:26:02,810 --> 00:26:01,020
everyone

650
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:02,820
not just those who work in government

651
00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:04,799
but the civilian population in general

652
00:26:11,149 --> 00:26:08,820
who are not able to uh talk about this

653
00:26:12,590 --> 00:26:11,159
topic with their family with their

654
00:26:14,510 --> 00:26:12,600
friends and definitely not co-workers

655
00:26:18,049 --> 00:26:14,520
for fear of losing their job

656
00:26:21,169 --> 00:26:18,059
and so once we remove that stigma

657
00:26:24,890 --> 00:26:21,179
um I think uh the number of experiencers

658
00:26:28,490 --> 00:26:24,900
will be far greater than what we think

659
00:26:30,409 --> 00:26:28,500
well in the 1990s there was a Roper pole

660
00:26:33,470 --> 00:26:30,419
that was taken and they were saying that

661
00:26:36,289 --> 00:26:33,480
one well the the the final results were

662
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:36,299
that one out of 50 people have been

663
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:37,919
abducted or had some sort of abduction

664
00:26:43,490 --> 00:26:40,799
experience that was in the 1990s when it

665
00:26:45,230 --> 00:26:43,500
was still not okay to talk about this

666
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:45,240
you know what I mean when everybody kept

667
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,039
quiet the government didn't partake in

668
00:26:50,930 --> 00:26:49,440
that Roper pole so we had no money on

669
00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:50,940
the inside like CIA members like

670
00:26:55,130 --> 00:26:53,580
yourself or the the defense department

671
00:26:57,710 --> 00:26:55,140
coming out they wouldn't say anything

672
00:27:00,769 --> 00:26:57,720
back then my guess is there's a lot more

673
00:27:02,810 --> 00:27:00,779
than one percent that you know or one

674
00:27:04,669 --> 00:27:02,820
out of 50. you know globally you

675
00:27:07,130 --> 00:27:04,679
mentioned eight billion people how many

676
00:27:08,930 --> 00:27:07,140
people is that globally that are

677
00:27:10,250 --> 00:27:08,940
experiencing this right 50 off of that

678
00:27:12,890 --> 00:27:10,260
if you can do the math real quick and

679
00:27:15,649 --> 00:27:12,900
that's uh that's quite a number of uh

680
00:27:17,570 --> 00:27:15,659
people and no discrimination like it

681
00:27:19,610 --> 00:27:17,580
doesn't matter your Creed your race your

682
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:19,620
sexuality where you're from what you do

683
00:27:23,870 --> 00:27:21,600
for a living who you are what you're

684
00:27:26,510 --> 00:27:23,880
going through in your life specific

685
00:27:29,570 --> 00:27:26,520
people are somehow selected for this and

686
00:27:32,450 --> 00:27:29,580
it's crazy to think that that many

687
00:27:34,190 --> 00:27:32,460
people are all mentally ill right

688
00:27:36,110 --> 00:27:34,200
because I mentioned this before it's

689
00:27:38,750 --> 00:27:36,120
either it's a mental illness that is

690
00:27:40,730 --> 00:27:38,760
globally rampant right now or it's

691
00:27:43,810 --> 00:27:40,740
actually happening there's no middle

692
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:47,450
absolutely it's it's it seems like um

693
00:27:55,850 --> 00:27:54,110
well it's hard to disc I'm surprised

694
00:27:59,690 --> 00:27:55,860
that people discount it as much as they

695
00:28:02,510 --> 00:27:59,700
do right uh because you know um

696
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:02,520
in the United States now you can convict

697
00:28:06,289 --> 00:28:03,600
someone

698
00:28:09,230 --> 00:28:06,299
from eyewitness testimony yep I

699
00:28:11,630 --> 00:28:09,240
witnessed this person do this

700
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:11,640
and uh eyewitness testimony can convict

701
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:14,159
someone and put them in jail but on this

702
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:15,120
topic

703
00:28:20,330 --> 00:28:18,480
you have to prove it you have to show

704
00:28:22,669 --> 00:28:20,340
um more than just eyewitness testimony

705
00:28:23,690 --> 00:28:22,679
or even when we have evidence people

706
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,700
discount

707
00:28:27,769 --> 00:28:25,440
yeah you know there's evidence of this

708
00:28:30,110 --> 00:28:27,779
and people discount it because uh their

709
00:28:32,510 --> 00:28:30,120
belief system gets in the way

710
00:28:36,830 --> 00:28:32,520
but I would say this that you know if if

711
00:28:38,390 --> 00:28:36,840
one is a adherent of a belief system and

712
00:28:40,669 --> 00:28:38,400
I'll just pick Christianity because

713
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:40,679
that's the tradition I grew up in uh

714
00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:44,640
Catholic and so a person believes uh

715
00:28:49,789 --> 00:28:46,860
that I believe in in one God and I

716
00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:49,799
believe that Jesus Christ was his son

717
00:28:56,750 --> 00:28:53,700
no one comes out and disparages them no

718
00:28:59,870 --> 00:28:56,760
one comes out to attack them no one they

719
00:29:02,810 --> 00:28:59,880
said oh okay I respect that belief

720
00:29:05,870 --> 00:29:02,820
yet when you say I believe in in this

721
00:29:07,970 --> 00:29:05,880
phenomenon I believe that our non-humans

722
00:29:10,130 --> 00:29:07,980
um across this universe and that some of

723
00:29:12,590 --> 00:29:10,140
them are visiting us and then you get

724
00:29:14,510 --> 00:29:12,600
attacked immediately why is that

725
00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:14,520
why is one belief system accepted and

726
00:29:18,830 --> 00:29:17,100
another isn't so I just throw that out

727
00:29:21,950 --> 00:29:18,840
there I I'm not a philosopher in any way

728
00:29:23,330 --> 00:29:21,960
I can't answer it but you're right um it

729
00:29:26,210 --> 00:29:23,340
seems like

730
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:26,220
you know it there's no middle ground you

731
00:29:31,730 --> 00:29:29,360
know it and can that this many people

732
00:29:34,610 --> 00:29:31,740
experience something and all be

733
00:29:36,370 --> 00:29:34,620
delusional yeah same detail too like a

734
00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:36,380
lot of them have repeating details

735
00:29:41,570 --> 00:29:38,820
description of these entities or how

736
00:29:43,130 --> 00:29:41,580
they they say they fly the craft that's

737
00:29:44,690 --> 00:29:43,140
interesting we're all wondering what

738
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,700
these things are flying around at night

739
00:29:48,649 --> 00:29:46,559
it might be somebody that has taken up

740
00:29:51,529 --> 00:29:48,659
for a test drive like it's crazy but

741
00:29:53,810 --> 00:29:51,539
yeah you're right there's no um we don't

742
00:29:56,269 --> 00:29:53,820
believe it when I first got involved

743
00:29:57,769 --> 00:29:56,279
with mufon and the podcast started I

744
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:57,779
mean I was a nobody had three people

745
00:30:03,169 --> 00:30:00,240
that listened to us this is before Louie

746
00:30:04,669 --> 00:30:03,179
came on and the the show picked up and

747
00:30:06,769 --> 00:30:04,679
uh you know I was struggling but I

748
00:30:09,049 --> 00:30:06,779
wanted to be an investigator and when

749
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,059
the guys at work were laughing about it

750
00:30:12,889 --> 00:30:11,520
with some of their uh customers the

751
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,899
customers would approach me afterwards

752
00:30:16,430 --> 00:30:14,640
and go hey uh

753
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:16,440
just happened to me and it would tell me

754
00:30:21,169 --> 00:30:19,919
that happened to them and so they

755
00:30:22,730 --> 00:30:21,179
wouldn't admit it in front of the other

756
00:30:25,010 --> 00:30:22,740
guys but to me they'll be like hey when

757
00:30:26,750 --> 00:30:25,020
I was you know one guy creeped me out so

758
00:30:28,190 --> 00:30:26,760
much he was an older gentleman and

759
00:30:30,169 --> 00:30:28,200
everything was going fine I'm doing this

760
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:30,179
transaction I forgot what I was doing

761
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:32,159
and he leaned in and he looked at me

762
00:30:38,090 --> 00:30:34,559
right in the eye he said I saw them once

763
00:30:39,889 --> 00:30:38,100
you know dude the hair on my arms went

764
00:30:42,409 --> 00:30:39,899
up I had not mentioned to him at all

765
00:30:44,450 --> 00:30:42,419
that I was into UFOs my co-workers

766
00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:44,460
hadn't mentioned anything he just knew

767
00:30:48,769 --> 00:30:46,440
automatically that it was into it right

768
00:30:50,029 --> 00:30:48,779
it's it's crazy the amount of people out

769
00:30:52,850 --> 00:30:50,039
there that have had these experiences

770
00:30:54,110 --> 00:30:52,860
that are just keeping it quiet right and

771
00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:54,120
I think that's what disclosure is going

772
00:30:58,850 --> 00:30:56,700
to do like you mentioned bring people to

773
00:31:01,010 --> 00:30:58,860
say you know what I've seen it too right

774
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:01,020
I keep joking it's like a me too

775
00:31:06,409 --> 00:31:03,679
movement of UFOs you know like hashtag

776
00:31:08,090 --> 00:31:06,419
btufos but that's what's happening it's

777
00:31:10,250 --> 00:31:08,100
and it's people like yourself sir that

778
00:31:11,810 --> 00:31:10,260
have served in their con you know their

779
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:11,820
country regardless of what country

780
00:31:15,289 --> 00:31:13,200
you're in if you've served your military

781
00:31:17,510 --> 00:31:15,299
or the government and you've had

782
00:31:19,610 --> 00:31:17,520
experiences that validates what your

783
00:31:22,010 --> 00:31:19,620
citizens are going through as well right

784
00:31:23,810 --> 00:31:22,020
and to me it seems like this issue is

785
00:31:26,210 --> 00:31:23,820
bigger than any government or military

786
00:31:28,490 --> 00:31:26,220
that we have on this planet it's about

787
00:31:30,529 --> 00:31:28,500
humanity and what we're all going

788
00:31:32,930 --> 00:31:30,539
through what we're all experiencing

789
00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:32,940
so that's why disclosure is so weird

790
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:34,440
because we're just waiting for the

791
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,240
government to just validate what we

792
00:31:40,970 --> 00:31:38,159
already know is going on and that

793
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:40,980
something's not right right and I think

794
00:31:46,430 --> 00:31:42,960
to your you know to your credit like

795
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:46,440
saying that uh disclosure is is coming

796
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,480
we just got to hang in there I'm looking

797
00:31:53,149 --> 00:31:50,640
forward to how much of it is going to be

798
00:31:55,310 --> 00:31:53,159
validated and how much of it is real

799
00:32:00,110 --> 00:31:55,320
right and I can say this much

800
00:32:05,330 --> 00:32:03,649
um will have been uh not only the people

801
00:32:07,610 --> 00:32:05,340
coming forward

802
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:07,620
but also the information they will be

803
00:32:15,889 --> 00:32:11,760
sharing the people have been vetted

804
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:15,899
and the information has been validated

805
00:32:21,710 --> 00:32:19,440
and how do we do that because you know

806
00:32:24,830 --> 00:32:21,720
you have UFO Twitter

807
00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:24,840
and people making claims on social media

808
00:32:28,430 --> 00:32:26,760
so forth and so on how do you how do you

809
00:32:29,090 --> 00:32:28,440
sort that out it's very difficult right

810
00:32:32,090 --> 00:32:29,100
now

811
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:32,100
but the people coming forward

812
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:32,880
um

813
00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:35,760
they have served in the positions with

814
00:32:40,130 --> 00:32:38,100
the clearances necessary to know the

815
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,140
information they're sharing

816
00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:42,240
and so there are ways to do that and

817
00:32:46,850 --> 00:32:44,460
because you know if I provided my name

818
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:46,860
social security number place in date of

819
00:32:52,130 --> 00:32:49,440
birth into a database called scattered

820
00:32:54,529 --> 00:32:52,140
castles I will come forward out in that

821
00:32:56,510 --> 00:32:54,539
database and you'll see that I work for

822
00:32:58,490 --> 00:32:56,520
CIA between this date and that date and

823
00:33:01,610 --> 00:32:58,500
it'll have the dates

824
00:33:05,090 --> 00:33:01,620
of every compartment I ever held when I

825
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:05,100
was read into them and the massive date

826
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:07,919
um back in September of 2009 when I was

827
00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:11,279
read out of them in Mass the whole

828
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:13,740
two dozen or so of these compartments I

829
00:33:19,310 --> 00:33:17,279
had and so these folks are in the same

830
00:33:22,730 --> 00:33:19,320
situation that we know that they worked

831
00:33:26,690 --> 00:33:22,740
where they say they worked we know that

832
00:33:29,090 --> 00:33:26,700
um they their information is valid and

833
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:29,100
now the difference is we are allowing

834
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:31,200
them to come forward with this

835
00:33:35,630 --> 00:33:33,120
information because now they have

836
00:33:37,789 --> 00:33:35,640
legislation to protect them

837
00:33:40,850 --> 00:33:37,799
and so that is the biggest contribution

838
00:33:42,169 --> 00:33:40,860
to this should go to senator gillibrand

839
00:33:43,850 --> 00:33:42,179
of New York

840
00:33:46,610 --> 00:33:43,860
because she'll go down in history as

841
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:46,620
having made this possible

842
00:33:50,090 --> 00:33:48,480
we'll stop that legislation none of this

843
00:33:51,409 --> 00:33:50,100
would happen

844
00:33:54,169 --> 00:33:51,419
um so

845
00:33:56,750 --> 00:33:54,179
you know yeah they'll be

846
00:33:58,730 --> 00:33:56,760
um further vetting and validation of

847
00:34:00,049 --> 00:33:58,740
these people as this first round comes

848
00:34:01,789 --> 00:34:00,059
forward I'm sure there are others who

849
00:34:03,470 --> 00:34:01,799
have come forward afterwards and that

850
00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:03,480
opens it up to the civilian world as

851
00:34:11,169 --> 00:34:07,620
well because we basically I mean so we

852
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,179
have like many many

853
00:34:16,070 --> 00:34:13,679
uh government and military people coming

854
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:16,080
forward well that's interesting but it's

855
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:17,520
even more interesting to hear from

856
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,399
civilians having the same experiences

857
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:22,560
and the only difference is like job

858
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:25,440
title so yeah I was an engineer I worked

859
00:34:28,750 --> 00:34:27,119
for this on this project for the

860
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:28,760
government and I know this information

861
00:34:35,089 --> 00:34:33,119
uh but I mean that's not any more uh or

862
00:34:37,550 --> 00:34:35,099
less valid than someone who says yeah

863
00:34:41,329 --> 00:34:37,560
I've had Direct experiences and I was on

864
00:34:42,829 --> 00:34:41,339
board of craft and I I flew it

865
00:34:45,470 --> 00:34:42,839
um you know I mean what's the difference

866
00:34:49,250 --> 00:34:45,480
there it's just job title but the

867
00:34:51,290 --> 00:34:49,260
experience itself is valid

868
00:34:53,089 --> 00:34:51,300
um so yeah I look forward to that time

869
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:53,099
and I think

870
00:34:58,130 --> 00:34:55,919
I'm pretty confident it will happen I'll

871
00:35:01,130 --> 00:34:58,140
be very disappointed if it did not

872
00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:01,140
happen because basically um I wasted two

873
00:35:05,870 --> 00:35:03,780
two years of my life doing this

874
00:35:07,609 --> 00:35:05,880
yeah and I wanted to ask you about what

875
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:07,619
some people report just sort of the

876
00:35:13,010 --> 00:35:10,800
trans medium nature of UFOs I mean you

877
00:35:14,990 --> 00:35:13,020
look at the Tic Tac incident it's 80 000

878
00:35:16,970 --> 00:35:15,000
feet and then it's sea level and we

879
00:35:18,530 --> 00:35:16,980
asked Richard Dolan about Usos and he

880
00:35:20,329 --> 00:35:18,540
goes on for half an hour with all the

881
00:35:22,609 --> 00:35:20,339
data and evidence and under underwater

882
00:35:25,130 --> 00:35:22,619
bases and everything else so what are

883
00:35:27,290 --> 00:35:25,140
your thoughts on how they Traverse from

884
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:27,300
outer space to our atmosphere under the

885
00:35:30,770 --> 00:35:29,520
water what do you uh what do you think

886
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:30,780
about all that

887
00:35:37,490 --> 00:35:35,280
well um this people really concentrate

888
00:35:38,690 --> 00:35:37,500
on anti-gravity anti-gravity

889
00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:38,700
anti-gravity

890
00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:40,500
because they think gravity is one of the

891
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:43,020
uh four forces of the Universe

892
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:44,640
um but if you talk to people who

893
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:47,280
actually know like Dr Jack Safari he

894
00:35:50,810 --> 00:35:49,440
would discount gravity as being one of

895
00:35:54,050 --> 00:35:50,820
the four

896
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:54,060
CES of the universe he'll say yes strong

897
00:36:00,770 --> 00:35:57,599
nuclear weak nuclear but electromagnetic

898
00:36:03,069 --> 00:36:00,780
and I spent 25 years in a CIA in six

899
00:36:06,589 --> 00:36:03,079
years in the Navy in the field of

900
00:36:08,089 --> 00:36:06,599
electromagnetic emissions radar is

901
00:36:11,329 --> 00:36:08,099
electromagnetic

902
00:36:12,650 --> 00:36:11,339
emissions and so

903
00:36:15,710 --> 00:36:12,660
um

904
00:36:18,890 --> 00:36:15,720
this is what I can say like you we all

905
00:36:21,650 --> 00:36:18,900
heard of metamaterials yeah yeah and um

906
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:21,660
I said before magnesium bismuth and zinc

907
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,480
and a purity that can't be manufactured

908
00:36:29,089 --> 00:36:26,640
or found on Earth but whatever they are

909
00:36:31,550 --> 00:36:29,099
let's just call them meta materials and

910
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:31,560
let's imagine that they have what we

911
00:36:36,349 --> 00:36:33,599
know as wave guides inside of them

912
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:36,359
infused in them and a wave guide is

913
00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:38,160
basically a transmission line for

914
00:36:44,089 --> 00:36:41,820
electromagnetic magnetic waveforms

915
00:36:47,930 --> 00:36:44,099
um at extremely extremely high frequency

916
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:47,940
we're talking like uh billions and

917
00:36:52,730 --> 00:36:50,640
trillions of cycles per second

918
00:36:54,530 --> 00:36:52,740
uh so let's say there are these waveguys

919
00:36:56,030 --> 00:36:54,540
that are very tiny like we call them

920
00:37:00,589 --> 00:36:56,040
millimeter wave

921
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:00,599
anytime we go to the airport and we're

922
00:37:05,210 --> 00:37:02,880
asked to raise our hands and step stand

923
00:37:08,030 --> 00:37:05,220
on the yellow little Footprints there

924
00:37:10,089 --> 00:37:08,040
and zoom zoom that's you you just got

925
00:37:13,370 --> 00:37:10,099
blasted by millimeter wave

926
00:37:15,050 --> 00:37:13,380
and so that type of radiation

927
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:15,060
um that type of it's not radiation but

928
00:37:20,210 --> 00:37:17,040
that type of uh emission

929
00:37:23,150 --> 00:37:20,220
let's say it's infused into or generated

930
00:37:26,030 --> 00:37:23,160
and Infused into that meta material that

931
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:26,040
material may show some properties that

932
00:37:30,410 --> 00:37:27,359
are very interesting

933
00:37:32,089 --> 00:37:30,420
including properties that will then

934
00:37:33,710 --> 00:37:32,099
overcome

935
00:37:37,970 --> 00:37:33,720
um the weight

936
00:37:41,210 --> 00:37:37,980
and drag that aircraft feel and what you

937
00:37:44,510 --> 00:37:41,220
have is thrust and lift

938
00:37:46,970 --> 00:37:44,520
and so when you're on board that craft

939
00:37:49,250 --> 00:37:46,980
and people say well you know

940
00:37:50,270 --> 00:37:49,260
it's impossible you know all the G's

941
00:37:53,690 --> 00:37:50,280
they pull

942
00:37:56,990 --> 00:37:53,700
well that's from The Observer whether

943
00:37:59,089 --> 00:37:57,000
you're in your fa-18 piloting it or if

944
00:38:02,210 --> 00:37:59,099
you're on the ground seeing it whatever

945
00:38:04,130 --> 00:38:02,220
however you encounter these crafts

946
00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:04,140
you think it's impossible you know

947
00:38:09,050 --> 00:38:05,940
there's probably no one in there because

948
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:09,060
you know no one can withstand that many

949
00:38:13,310 --> 00:38:11,040
G's well if you're on board the craft

950
00:38:15,290 --> 00:38:13,320
you don't feel a damn thing

951
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:15,300
uh instead you'll see everything around

952
00:38:18,589 --> 00:38:16,320
you

953
00:38:20,750 --> 00:38:18,599
shift away

954
00:38:22,490 --> 00:38:20,760
in various directions like you're

955
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:22,500
spinning the globe like I got right

956
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,520
behind me it's almost like you're

957
00:38:27,230 --> 00:38:25,200
spinning the globe it's the globe that

958
00:38:28,609 --> 00:38:27,240
changes you yourself your perspective

959
00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:28,619
doesn't change you're just moving around

960
00:38:33,230 --> 00:38:30,839
exactly yeah Dr safadi would use the

961
00:38:35,210 --> 00:38:33,240
example of a surfer

962
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:35,220
um so you can Surfer on a surfboard and

963
00:38:40,010 --> 00:38:37,680
he's riding this way the surfer on the

964
00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:42,589
is on the surfboard he feels like he's

965
00:38:48,530 --> 00:38:45,000
steady on that surfboard and the wave

966
00:38:50,750 --> 00:38:48,540
he's riding is going past him yeah all

967
00:38:52,670 --> 00:38:50,760
right and so it's almost like that

968
00:38:55,370 --> 00:38:52,680
um get on an airplane

969
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:55,380
um the fastest one can go 585 miles per

970
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:57,599
hour if they really really want to pump

971
00:39:02,810 --> 00:39:00,480
it up and they're running late 585 let's

972
00:39:03,650 --> 00:39:02,820
say miles per hour

973
00:39:05,390 --> 00:39:03,660
um

974
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:05,400
your body doesn't feel like you're just

975
00:39:10,010 --> 00:39:08,160
going 585 miles per hour

976
00:39:12,170 --> 00:39:10,020
at all

977
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,180
um your body couldn't withstand 585

978
00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:14,160
miles per hour if it was like on the

979
00:39:18,890 --> 00:39:16,380
surface going that fast but you're in a

980
00:39:19,730 --> 00:39:18,900
container that's going 585 miles per

981
00:39:22,370 --> 00:39:19,740
hour

982
00:39:25,490 --> 00:39:22,380
and the sky is going past you and that's

983
00:39:27,890 --> 00:39:25,500
the closest non-technical analogy to

984
00:39:30,349 --> 00:39:27,900
describe how this phenomenon can happen

985
00:39:33,530 --> 00:39:30,359
and oh by the way part of that

986
00:39:36,050 --> 00:39:33,540
phenomenon is this

987
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:36,060
um I hesitate to call melding of

988
00:39:41,569 --> 00:39:39,839
Consciousness with the technology but

989
00:39:43,849 --> 00:39:41,579
it's part of that

990
00:39:45,310 --> 00:39:43,859
technology Consciousness is part of that

991
00:39:48,349 --> 00:39:45,320
technology

992
00:39:51,230 --> 00:39:48,359
and also there's a little bit of time

993
00:39:53,569 --> 00:39:51,240
and spatial displacement the time and

994
00:39:56,030 --> 00:39:53,579
space displacement occurring

995
00:39:58,730 --> 00:39:56,040
so that when an aircraft like fa-18

996
00:40:01,609 --> 00:39:58,740
approaches it and it zips away

997
00:40:05,870 --> 00:40:01,619
The Observer the pilot sees it zipping

998
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:05,880
away but the but the uh the occupant of

999
00:40:10,970 --> 00:40:08,640
that craft that slipped away

1000
00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:10,980
um that that document already has

1001
00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:13,020
already discerned that craft being there

1002
00:40:18,290 --> 00:40:15,660
and got out of the way before the

1003
00:40:19,490 --> 00:40:18,300
Observer senses that that craft got out

1004
00:40:21,650 --> 00:40:19,500
of the way and

1005
00:40:24,890 --> 00:40:21,660
Dr Safari has beautiful math to explain

1006
00:40:26,990 --> 00:40:24,900
all that uh and I couldn't even like

1007
00:40:29,870 --> 00:40:27,000
hope to explain it but uh if you want an

1008
00:40:32,690 --> 00:40:29,880
interesting guest I mean this is the guy

1009
00:40:35,150 --> 00:40:32,700
yeah yeah I have him on board uh

1010
00:40:36,770 --> 00:40:35,160
on your podcasts and and trying to nail

1011
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:36,780
them down to explain it in a way that

1012
00:40:41,390 --> 00:40:39,119
people could understand because he does

1013
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:41,400
get into the math uh quite heavily but

1014
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:44,160
Beth and I are not friends John we had a

1015
00:40:47,930 --> 00:40:45,839
Ginny Blanchette couple episodes the

1016
00:40:49,310 --> 00:40:47,940
same idea he's using geometric harmonics

1017
00:40:51,170 --> 00:40:49,320
I think we did a pretty good job

1018
00:40:52,910 --> 00:40:51,180
breaking it down I mean if it's over

1019
00:40:54,829 --> 00:40:52,920
it's over your head it's over your head

1020
00:40:56,750 --> 00:40:54,839
but I think there's a lot of good

1021
00:40:58,430 --> 00:40:56,760
information you can glean from that and

1022
00:40:59,930 --> 00:40:58,440
you mentioned meta materials and I don't

1023
00:41:01,849 --> 00:40:59,940
want to forget this point because I'm a

1024
00:41:04,190 --> 00:41:01,859
big fan of meta material when we had

1025
00:41:06,650 --> 00:41:04,200
Gary Nolan on our show I started asking

1026
00:41:08,690 --> 00:41:06,660
about you know there's this medal that

1027
00:41:10,370 --> 00:41:08,700
was supposedly given from our Bell to

1028
00:41:12,829 --> 00:41:10,380
Linda Moulton how it was supposed to be

1029
00:41:14,589 --> 00:41:12,839
a piece of UFO and as I'm talking he

1030
00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:14,599
disappears off the screen and he's like

1031
00:41:17,569 --> 00:41:16,740
rummaging and doing something and I

1032
00:41:19,370 --> 00:41:17,579
didn't know what the hell he's doing

1033
00:41:20,990 --> 00:41:19,380
finally I said man you better be

1034
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:21,000
reaching for something like a piece of

1035
00:41:24,589 --> 00:41:23,040
that stuff and sure enough he grabs it

1036
00:41:26,270 --> 00:41:24,599
and holds it up he's like yeah it's this

1037
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:26,280
stuff right here yeah and I'm like and

1038
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,359
that's the same thing you were just

1039
00:41:32,089 --> 00:41:29,280
mentioning John the Magnesium layered

1040
00:41:34,010 --> 00:41:32,099
bismuth and perhap but again he wanted

1041
00:41:35,450 --> 00:41:34,020
to kind of play a little bit he was like

1042
00:41:37,390 --> 00:41:35,460
well how do we know it's not from the

1043
00:41:39,230 --> 00:41:37,400
Slag out of a smelting Factory

1044
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:39,240
explaining the levels now this was

1045
00:41:43,150 --> 00:41:41,040
previous to him making those statements

1046
00:41:45,890 --> 00:41:43,160
the other day where it was very clear

1047
00:41:48,050 --> 00:41:45,900
aliens exist we have the craft we're

1048
00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:48,060
reverse engineering them and I believe

1049
00:41:52,130 --> 00:41:50,040
this within a hundred percent certainty

1050
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:52,140
that's big like we're in Big Boy land

1051
00:41:56,030 --> 00:41:53,520
right now but I wanted to get your

1052
00:41:57,650 --> 00:41:56,040
thoughts again on do we have and again

1053
00:42:00,650 --> 00:41:57,660
you can't give anything away because

1054
00:42:02,930 --> 00:42:00,660
you're former CIA but so what you know

1055
00:42:05,450 --> 00:42:02,940
or have been told do we actually have

1056
00:42:06,650 --> 00:42:05,460
some of these exotic off-earth materials

1057
00:42:08,690 --> 00:42:06,660
that we're playing with trying to

1058
00:42:10,670 --> 00:42:08,700
reverse engineer well I'll say this why

1059
00:42:12,829 --> 00:42:10,680
was that CIA I've never been I was never

1060
00:42:15,230 --> 00:42:12,839
exposed to the materials itself

1061
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:15,240
I was exposed to the fact that uh a

1062
00:42:19,490 --> 00:42:17,280
craft may exist

1063
00:42:21,710 --> 00:42:19,500
made of these materials though I've

1064
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:21,720
never seen a craft I would say this much

1065
00:42:27,230 --> 00:42:24,720
you've heard of dirts the irds the

1066
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:27,240
defense intelligence reference documents

1067
00:42:33,530 --> 00:42:30,560
that were released

1068
00:42:35,810 --> 00:42:33,540
write that down yep what happened was

1069
00:42:37,849 --> 00:42:35,820
that a foil request was sent to the

1070
00:42:41,290 --> 00:42:37,859
defense intelligence agency

1071
00:42:44,510 --> 00:42:41,300
uh which actually sponsored uh alsat

1072
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,520
and uh the foyer Crest was for any

1073
00:42:48,530 --> 00:42:47,040
materials or any kind of reporting as a

1074
00:42:51,410 --> 00:42:48,540
result of the study

1075
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:51,420
called all set all right so the DIA

1076
00:42:55,490 --> 00:42:53,760
released oh there were these dirts these

1077
00:42:57,290 --> 00:42:55,500
defense intelligence

1078
00:42:58,970 --> 00:42:57,300
um reference documents that were

1079
00:43:02,690 --> 00:42:58,980
released and there they are and they're

1080
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:02,700
all like mostly like short white papers

1081
00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:04,560
and a white paper is just a think piece

1082
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:07,020
you know yeah um and so you know the

1083
00:43:10,609 --> 00:43:08,880
cast of characters you know uh who

1084
00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:10,619
submitted them one of them was Dr Eric W

1085
00:43:14,990 --> 00:43:13,260
Davis he submitted one of his and so

1086
00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:15,000
forth into other scientists submitted

1087
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:19,500
them as well well what I saw was the

1088
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:22,319
cover and I I'll say this much it was

1089
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:25,440
the cover of not a thin little

1090
00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:26,640
third

1091
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:30,660
it was a manual a government manual on

1092
00:43:35,390 --> 00:43:32,960
UAP propulsion and how they work

1093
00:43:38,089 --> 00:43:35,400
interesting wow that's all I'm gonna say

1094
00:43:40,670 --> 00:43:38,099
it's Bob was our stuff yeah

1095
00:43:42,410 --> 00:43:40,680
um I I don't I hesitated to call it Bob

1096
00:43:44,930 --> 00:43:42,420
Lazar stuff

1097
00:43:49,370 --> 00:43:44,940
uh let's just much more advanced than

1098
00:43:52,490 --> 00:43:49,380
that or I I just not a fan of Bob no I I

1099
00:43:54,770 --> 00:43:52,500
cannot validate or verify

1100
00:43:56,750 --> 00:43:54,780
Bob Lazar in any way shape or form

1101
00:43:59,390 --> 00:43:56,760
because I don't know him I've never met

1102
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:59,400
him I've only heard about him because of

1103
00:44:03,950 --> 00:44:00,720
Art Bell

1104
00:44:06,890 --> 00:44:03,960
one and uh John Lear introduced him to

1105
00:44:08,930 --> 00:44:06,900
the Art Bell crowd Coast AM and that's

1106
00:44:12,170 --> 00:44:08,940
how I heard about him

1107
00:44:13,730 --> 00:44:12,180
um so I can't validate him and I'm not

1108
00:44:16,010 --> 00:44:13,740
going to associate anything I know

1109
00:44:17,870 --> 00:44:16,020
officially with anything Bob Lazar may

1110
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:17,880
have said unofficially I'll put it that

1111
00:44:20,930 --> 00:44:18,960
way yeah

1112
00:44:23,150 --> 00:44:20,940
um let's put let's call it Gary Nolan

1113
00:44:25,010 --> 00:44:23,160
stuff I mean it's like what he would

1114
00:44:27,710 --> 00:44:25,020
know uh what these other scientists like

1115
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:27,720
Hal putoff and Eric W Davis would know

1116
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:30,480
and so it was a manual it was a manual

1117
00:44:35,630 --> 00:44:33,599
uh of how propulsion systems worked I

1118
00:44:38,089 --> 00:44:35,640
wasn't supposed to see it

1119
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:38,099
and the person who laid out that manual

1120
00:44:42,829 --> 00:44:40,560
on his desk wasn't supposed to leave it

1121
00:44:45,650 --> 00:44:42,839
out there like the way he did I did not

1122
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:45,660
open it I saw the cover I did not open

1123
00:44:49,089 --> 00:44:47,280
it because if I opened it I would have

1124
00:44:53,569 --> 00:44:49,099
been charged with a security violation

1125
00:44:55,730 --> 00:44:53,579
with uh bad consequences so I saw it and

1126
00:44:57,530 --> 00:44:55,740
the the security violations on the my

1127
00:45:00,349 --> 00:44:57,540
engineer who left it out because she

1128
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,359
should have left it in the safe that I

1129
00:45:05,329 --> 00:45:02,400
provided for him and his colleague my

1130
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,339
other co uh his co-worker both of whom I

1131
00:45:08,990 --> 00:45:07,680
supervised who I sent to the orb working

1132
00:45:13,250 --> 00:45:09,000
group

1133
00:45:16,930 --> 00:45:13,260
um and so they looked at not only the

1134
00:45:20,650 --> 00:45:16,940
orbs that fly but also the Legacy craft

1135
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:20,660
that we may know about and that's more

1136
00:45:25,790 --> 00:45:23,280
I like that is that the official term

1137
00:45:26,690 --> 00:45:25,800
used on the inside for this Legacy

1138
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:26,700
program

1139
00:45:32,809 --> 00:45:30,960
to happen because of Roswell and

1140
00:45:35,150 --> 00:45:32,819
thereafter right and anything we may

1141
00:45:38,510 --> 00:45:35,160
have exploited from them that time

1142
00:45:40,970 --> 00:45:38,520
uh cie is the uh

1143
00:45:42,770 --> 00:45:40,980
ran that Legacy program I mean that's

1144
00:45:45,170 --> 00:45:42,780
not classified because if you look at

1145
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:45,180
Roswell in 1947 the only two

1146
00:45:49,130 --> 00:45:47,520
intelligence agencies that existed is

1147
00:45:50,930 --> 00:45:49,140
the Office of Naval intelligence CIA

1148
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:50,940
when the C actually stood for Central

1149
00:45:55,490 --> 00:45:53,280
before they broke it apart and you know

1150
00:45:58,250 --> 00:45:55,500
created NSA and Dia and all these other

1151
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,260
agencies after it

1152
00:46:01,490 --> 00:46:00,480
so why are they um with the new Arrow

1153
00:46:03,410 --> 00:46:01,500
office they're saying well we're only

1154
00:46:05,390 --> 00:46:03,420
going to go back to o4 because that's

1155
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:05,400
when the Nimitz happened and that's the

1156
00:46:09,230 --> 00:46:07,440
first time that the Spy one radar the

1157
00:46:12,290 --> 00:46:09,240
upgraded system started capturing things

1158
00:46:14,569 --> 00:46:12,300
we all know in our heart of hearts these

1159
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:14,579
Legacy programs existed there is data

1160
00:46:19,309 --> 00:46:16,560
going back to Roswell if this is

1161
00:46:21,470 --> 00:46:19,319
supposed to be the all domain or all you

1162
00:46:24,349 --> 00:46:21,480
know anomaly resolution office why are

1163
00:46:26,329 --> 00:46:24,359
they not taking celebrities yeah it is

1164
00:46:28,130 --> 00:46:26,339
selective uh Jason you you nailed it

1165
00:46:30,770 --> 00:46:28,140
right there they did not want to talk

1166
00:46:33,950 --> 00:46:30,780
about the Legacy programs back then

1167
00:46:36,910 --> 00:46:33,960
um so they tied it to uh November 2004

1168
00:46:39,650 --> 00:46:36,920
which was the Tic Tac uh occurrence

1169
00:46:42,530 --> 00:46:39,660
going forward and so and they also

1170
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:42,540
restricted it to uh just military

1171
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,640
observations

1172
00:46:47,870 --> 00:46:46,800
and discounted all of the civilian

1173
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:47,880
information

1174
00:46:53,210 --> 00:46:51,119
whatsoever they just threw that out uh

1175
00:46:54,770 --> 00:46:53,220
so yeah I was very selective and

1176
00:46:57,530 --> 00:46:54,780
basically they were more interested

1177
00:47:00,349 --> 00:46:57,540
although uh alsap looked at UFOs

1178
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:00,359
illnessly and looked at high strangeness

1179
00:47:05,690 --> 00:47:03,359
earnestly such as Skinwalker Ranch uh

1180
00:47:08,750 --> 00:47:05,700
what the uep task force did was to just

1181
00:47:11,569 --> 00:47:08,760
look at military observations of these

1182
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:11,579
craft uh or this phenomenon because they

1183
00:47:16,130 --> 00:47:13,440
hesitate to call it craft

1184
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:16,140
yeah this phenomenon

1185
00:47:21,770 --> 00:47:19,440
um uh as it relates to Aviation safety

1186
00:47:25,490 --> 00:47:21,780
so they tie everything to Aviation

1187
00:47:26,809 --> 00:47:25,500
safety in order to at least get it out

1188
00:47:28,430 --> 00:47:26,819
from

1189
00:47:30,829 --> 00:47:28,440
just the

1190
00:47:32,690 --> 00:47:30,839
um behind the scenes discussion into the

1191
00:47:34,609 --> 00:47:32,700
public forum through Congress let's talk

1192
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:34,619
about Aviation safety oh everybody's

1193
00:47:39,410 --> 00:47:36,960
comfortable with that you didn't say UFO

1194
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:39,420
thank goodness just Aviation safety

1195
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:42,240
right and then they opened it up to oh

1196
00:47:45,290 --> 00:47:43,680
we don't know what they are they could

1197
00:47:47,329 --> 00:47:45,300
be Chinese they could be Russian Maybe

1198
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,339
not maybe maybe not foreign adversaries

1199
00:47:51,530 --> 00:47:49,680
or maybe they're balloons maybe there's

1200
00:47:54,589 --> 00:47:51,540
that whatever right but they never talk

1201
00:47:56,750 --> 00:47:54,599
about non-human craft

1202
00:47:58,430 --> 00:47:56,760
right that's the Smoking Gun right

1203
00:48:01,069 --> 00:47:58,440
because I think Jason you said it many

1204
00:48:02,809 --> 00:48:01,079
times once she once you admit craft you

1205
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:02,819
have to go places you don't want to go

1206
00:48:07,609 --> 00:48:04,880
you have to talk about abductions beings

1207
00:48:09,710 --> 00:48:07,619
Cryptids maybe even Bigfoot like it just

1208
00:48:12,410 --> 00:48:09,720
we all go down that rabbit hole like a

1209
00:48:14,809 --> 00:48:12,420
slide as soon as that first layer of the

1210
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:14,819
onion comes off it's all coming off

1211
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:17,040
because now it's like well if that was

1212
00:48:21,050 --> 00:48:18,720
the craziest thing that we had come up

1213
00:48:22,849 --> 00:48:21,060
with and we were all nuts now a portion

1214
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,859
of that is true so hey you got to look

1215
00:48:27,050 --> 00:48:24,240
at the rest of it because now we're not

1216
00:48:29,329 --> 00:48:27,060
nuts and we're validating that right so

1217
00:48:31,849 --> 00:48:29,339
yeah yeah yeah I was gonna say even more

1218
00:48:34,190 --> 00:48:31,859
aggravating than that we have all these

1219
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:34,200
different agencies government agencies

1220
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:35,760
yeah I think there's too many cooks in

1221
00:48:40,970 --> 00:48:38,400
the kitchen personally but none of them

1222
00:48:42,770 --> 00:48:40,980
are looking at the abductees the

1223
00:48:44,930 --> 00:48:42,780
abductive should be priority number one

1224
00:48:47,530 --> 00:48:44,940
or at least if they are they're not open

1225
00:48:50,089 --> 00:48:47,540
about it they're not open about it yeah

1226
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:50,099
that should be party number one that

1227
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:52,079
should be our base what's going on with

1228
00:48:55,010 --> 00:48:53,520
the abductees what have they witnessed

1229
00:48:57,230 --> 00:48:55,020
what did they experience what did they

1230
00:48:59,089 --> 00:48:57,240
talk about these entities but maybe they

1231
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:59,099
give away their position by doing that

1232
00:49:03,530 --> 00:49:01,440
same thing possible trying to just gloss

1233
00:49:05,569 --> 00:49:03,540
over it then there are no such thing as

1234
00:49:08,210 --> 00:49:05,579
UFOs there are no aliens there are no

1235
00:49:10,490 --> 00:49:08,220
abductees so it's kind of implicating

1236
00:49:12,410 --> 00:49:10,500
when you're you know doing research with

1237
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,420
those people we know it we've always

1238
00:49:15,950 --> 00:49:14,160
kind of known but it's a difference

1239
00:49:17,569 --> 00:49:15,960
between suspecting that and then

1240
00:49:20,210 --> 00:49:17,579
confirming yeah we're doing it yeah yeah

1241
00:49:22,270 --> 00:49:20,220
I I I would go with

1242
00:49:25,790 --> 00:49:22,280
um

1243
00:49:28,910 --> 00:49:25,800
more along the lines of

1244
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:28,920
before we go there we need to start here

1245
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:31,440
yeah and you need to start with what

1246
00:49:36,109 --> 00:49:33,599
Jason has said and what you've said now

1247
00:49:39,170 --> 00:49:36,119
just now Louis about non-human

1248
00:49:41,569 --> 00:49:39,180
that word non-human attached to this

1249
00:49:44,990 --> 00:49:41,579
phenomenon is the biggest stumbling

1250
00:49:47,690 --> 00:49:45,000
block over the past Decades of

1251
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:47,700
discussing this out in the open

1252
00:49:53,569 --> 00:49:50,880
at all so let's just give them a chance

1253
00:49:55,490 --> 00:49:53,579
to say non-human now right now you have

1254
00:49:58,430 --> 00:49:55,500
not seen an official statement about

1255
00:50:02,089 --> 00:49:58,440
non-human and I mean official statement

1256
00:50:05,150 --> 00:50:02,099
not just Dr Gary Nolan yeah in his role

1257
00:50:08,750 --> 00:50:05,160
as a consultant to the government

1258
00:50:11,390 --> 00:50:08,760
and people call him a CIA agent no he is

1259
00:50:13,130 --> 00:50:11,400
not he's not a CI officer or CI agent

1260
00:50:15,470 --> 00:50:13,140
he's not associated with CIA in that way

1261
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,480
but he does consult with the people who

1262
00:50:19,309 --> 00:50:17,280
are working this who happen to be in

1263
00:50:22,609 --> 00:50:19,319
government so let's he's a consultant

1264
00:50:24,650 --> 00:50:22,619
but beyond just one person saying it and

1265
00:50:25,790 --> 00:50:24,660
a lot of rumors floating around in

1266
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:25,800
social media

1267
00:50:32,089 --> 00:50:29,760
we need to hear officially non-human and

1268
00:50:33,710 --> 00:50:32,099
we got real close because that

1269
00:50:37,790 --> 00:50:33,720
legislation called the intelligence

1270
00:50:40,550 --> 00:50:37,800
authorization Act of fiscal year 2023

1271
00:50:43,130 --> 00:50:40,560
uh that came through the intelligence

1272
00:50:45,530 --> 00:50:43,140
Community uh intelligence Committees of

1273
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:45,540
our Congress they actually had that

1274
00:50:52,849 --> 00:50:48,000
non-human language in it what happened

1275
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:52,859
to it well the that strong language

1276
00:50:56,809 --> 00:50:54,720
uh that would have set up something

1277
00:50:57,710 --> 00:50:56,819
Beyond Arrow would have gotten rid of

1278
00:50:59,569 --> 00:50:57,720
Arrow

1279
00:51:03,950 --> 00:50:59,579
and would have set up a joint program

1280
00:51:06,349 --> 00:51:03,960
office for uh Aerospace and undersea

1281
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:06,359
phenomenon

1282
00:51:09,470 --> 00:51:08,640
and then you know

1283
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:09,480
um

1284
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:11,760
bringing forward uh the idea that you

1285
00:51:16,250 --> 00:51:12,960
know there's trans medium Vehicles

1286
00:51:19,609 --> 00:51:16,260
involved that would have actually

1287
00:51:22,250 --> 00:51:19,619
been brought to the public domain the

1288
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,260
non-human aspect immediately

1289
00:51:27,890 --> 00:51:24,720
that legislation got blended with the

1290
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:27,900
ndaa everyone knows about the ndaa that

1291
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:30,240
only refers to the Department of Defense

1292
00:51:36,410 --> 00:51:33,839
uniform on Services title 10 NDA that's

1293
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:36,420
that's all DOD

1294
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:40,079
the iaa's civilian CIA mostly a lot of

1295
00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:40,800
it

1296
00:51:44,510 --> 00:51:43,500
back up Linden and part of the blending

1297
00:51:46,970 --> 00:51:44,520
process

1298
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:46,980
someone arranged for all of that lenders

1299
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:48,480
to be taken out

1300
00:51:53,930 --> 00:51:51,359
so if you look at the NDA for FY 23 and

1301
00:51:56,329 --> 00:51:53,940
you do a word search for non-human not

1302
00:51:59,809 --> 00:51:56,339
going to find it if you go back to the

1303
00:52:01,790 --> 00:51:59,819
iaas passed by the Senate

1304
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:01,800
and it passed the intelligence Committee

1305
00:52:06,650 --> 00:52:04,559
in the Senate by 16-0

1306
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:06,660
both for Democrats and Republicans all

1307
00:52:10,490 --> 00:52:08,160
voted for it

1308
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:10,500
if you look in that legislation and look

1309
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:12,720
for non-human you're going to find it

1310
00:52:19,370 --> 00:52:15,359
those terms are in there but it's not in

1311
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:19,380
what was passed that sustained arrows

1312
00:52:23,930 --> 00:52:22,079
work we I think the intelligence

1313
00:52:25,130 --> 00:52:23,940
Community wanted to get rid of Arrow and

1314
00:52:26,750 --> 00:52:25,140
replace it with something more

1315
00:52:29,089 --> 00:52:26,760
meaningful that would have addressed

1316
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:29,099
those aspects of it but that's not

1317
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:30,480
happening

1318
00:52:35,450 --> 00:52:32,880
so I think part of this disclosure

1319
00:52:38,270 --> 00:52:35,460
process was to redress that when it got

1320
00:52:41,210 --> 00:52:38,280
taken out of the legislation thereby

1321
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:41,220
restricting Dr Kirk Packard on what he

1322
00:52:44,809 --> 00:52:43,440
can address under the legislation what

1323
00:52:46,970 --> 00:52:44,819
he's funded for

1324
00:52:48,530 --> 00:52:46,980
very narrow

1325
00:52:50,750 --> 00:52:48,540
um compared to what he could have been

1326
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:50,760
doing I think that would be redressed

1327
00:52:54,650 --> 00:52:52,800
through this disclosure process that's

1328
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:54,660
going forward and then we can bring in

1329
00:52:59,870 --> 00:52:57,839
non-human and thanks to Dr Gary Nolan he

1330
00:53:00,890 --> 00:52:59,880
fired their first shot across the bow as

1331
00:53:02,210 --> 00:53:00,900
we said

1332
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:02,220
as we say

1333
00:53:06,170 --> 00:53:03,839
um so I think you hear more about that

1334
00:53:09,170 --> 00:53:06,180
and and then you can open up the other

1335
00:53:11,329 --> 00:53:09,180
discussion because I mean had doctors uh

1336
00:53:13,549 --> 00:53:11,339
you had uh Jim Sumi van on and he talked

1337
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:13,559
about his experiences I talk about my

1338
00:53:18,349 --> 00:53:15,599
experiences I have a good friend a CIA

1339
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:18,359
who's retired who saw the lady in white

1340
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:20,640
a la Chris bledsoe's lady in white

1341
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:23,040
before anyone knew about Chris bless

1342
00:53:27,049 --> 00:53:24,720
someone before he knew that there was a

1343
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:27,059
lady in white long before Chris bless

1344
00:53:32,089 --> 00:53:28,559
those experience he said yeah I saw this

1345
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:32,099
lady in Hawaii and he's a CIA officer

1346
00:53:36,049 --> 00:53:33,599
um so you know that discussion about

1347
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:36,059
abductions and so forth that's all I

1348
00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:38,400
think that will come forward

1349
00:53:42,349 --> 00:53:40,260
um hopefully it's it wasn't the US

1350
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:42,359
military doing that I don't want to go

1351
00:53:47,450 --> 00:53:44,160
there because I mean that could go and

1352
00:53:50,329 --> 00:53:47,460
get into some legal ramifications of

1353
00:53:51,770 --> 00:53:50,339
taking people against their will right

1354
00:53:55,010 --> 00:53:51,780
um so I don't want to even go there

1355
00:53:56,690 --> 00:53:55,020
that's that's a legal thing uh let let

1356
00:53:58,849 --> 00:53:56,700
uh Danny Sheehan take care of that

1357
00:54:01,069 --> 00:53:58,859
because he's a lawyer and yeah he's the

1358
00:54:03,410 --> 00:54:01,079
official UFO uh lawyer of Congress

1359
00:54:05,569 --> 00:54:03,420
lawyer yeah exactly so I mean he can

1360
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:05,579
address that but let's let's just let

1361
00:54:11,210 --> 00:54:08,400
the government say non-human first and

1362
00:54:14,089 --> 00:54:11,220
then uh not human craft and then I hope

1363
00:54:17,329 --> 00:54:14,099
people then ask

1364
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:17,339
um who's driving them right and then the

1365
00:54:20,809 --> 00:54:18,960
discussion can come forward that oh

1366
00:54:21,970 --> 00:54:20,819
they're non-human beings driving on

1367
00:54:24,530 --> 00:54:21,980
human craft

1368
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:24,540
yeah and so that just it's just a

1369
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:27,119
logical progression from from that point

1370
00:54:32,690 --> 00:54:30,240
forward that would occur and John what

1371
00:54:34,490 --> 00:54:32,700
do you think are the repercussions of

1372
00:54:36,589 --> 00:54:34,500
let's say being

1373
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:36,599
let's say halfway through disclosure

1374
00:54:40,430 --> 00:54:38,160
let's say that they admit to a lot of

1375
00:54:41,630 --> 00:54:40,440
stuff not everything but to a lot of

1376
00:54:43,250 --> 00:54:41,640
stuff

1377
00:54:46,130 --> 00:54:43,260
um the people that have been keeping the

1378
00:54:47,690 --> 00:54:46,140
secret these clandestine organizations a

1379
00:54:49,549 --> 00:54:47,700
lot of people have died with their

1380
00:54:51,770 --> 00:54:49,559
secrets especially when they grow up in

1381
00:54:52,970 --> 00:54:51,780
different times or it's shut up you

1382
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:52,980
don't tell anybody about it and people

1383
00:54:56,809 --> 00:54:54,960
kept their word men were different back

1384
00:54:59,569 --> 00:54:56,819
then we we kept two of our word and we

1385
00:55:02,089 --> 00:54:59,579
didn't say anything right but a lot of

1386
00:55:03,950 --> 00:55:02,099
people's lives have been ruined uh by

1387
00:55:06,589 --> 00:55:03,960
these organizations or other people

1388
00:55:08,450 --> 00:55:06,599
trying to keep this quiet and there's

1389
00:55:10,370 --> 00:55:08,460
got to be at some point some people are

1390
00:55:12,589 --> 00:55:10,380
going to say hey wait a minute

1391
00:55:14,450 --> 00:55:12,599
you guys did this to me back in the 80s

1392
00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:14,460
you were aware of this long before you

1393
00:55:18,410 --> 00:55:16,200
came up with disclosure and you kept you

1394
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:18,420
told us to be quiet there is going to be

1395
00:55:23,210 --> 00:55:20,400
those people and it's going to come out

1396
00:55:24,890 --> 00:55:23,220
that people are going to be upset uh in

1397
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:24,900
your personal experience or your

1398
00:55:29,170 --> 00:55:27,839
personal uh opinion what do you think

1399
00:55:31,549 --> 00:55:29,180
that's gonna

1400
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:31,559
snowball into like what what is that

1401
00:55:36,349 --> 00:55:34,319
going to create for us as a society to

1402
00:55:37,970 --> 00:55:36,359
now have the government come out and say

1403
00:55:40,490 --> 00:55:37,980
it's really happening

1404
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:40,500
yes in the US government

1405
00:55:45,230 --> 00:55:43,200
um U.S citizens um people here in this

1406
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:45,240
country have the right of redressing the

1407
00:55:48,410 --> 00:55:47,040
government I redress of grievances to

1408
00:55:50,270 --> 00:55:48,420
the government and send the Constitution

1409
00:55:52,910 --> 00:55:50,280
right so there's a legal process for

1410
00:55:55,069 --> 00:55:52,920
that to happen and so let that process

1411
00:55:57,770 --> 00:55:55,079
go forward if if they have a case um

1412
00:55:59,930 --> 00:55:57,780
they will be heard but now at least they

1413
00:56:02,390 --> 00:55:59,940
have some ammunition in court if it

1414
00:56:04,670 --> 00:56:02,400
comes to that where they can say well

1415
00:56:06,829 --> 00:56:04,680
the government has said this you know

1416
00:56:10,430 --> 00:56:06,839
that's part of the uh

1417
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:10,440
the discovery phase of any case like

1418
00:56:13,490 --> 00:56:11,760
that where you gather all the evidence

1419
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:13,500
that you have and

1420
00:56:17,450 --> 00:56:16,079
um now instead of saying oh we're going

1421
00:56:18,650 --> 00:56:17,460
to dismiss this case because it has no

1422
00:56:21,530 --> 00:56:18,660
merit what are you talking about

1423
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:21,540
non-human oh now you can bring that in

1424
00:56:26,030 --> 00:56:24,480
to you as ammunition for your case so

1425
00:56:28,010 --> 00:56:26,040
there's a redress of government process

1426
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,020
and again I'm going back to Dana Sheehan

1427
00:56:32,510 --> 00:56:30,480
he would know how that works I'm not a

1428
00:56:34,970 --> 00:56:32,520
lawyer so I can I hesitate to answer

1429
00:56:36,890 --> 00:56:34,980
your question I don't know how to answer

1430
00:56:38,990 --> 00:56:36,900
it actually yeah but I would say that

1431
00:56:41,450 --> 00:56:39,000
you know generally uh there's a redress

1432
00:56:44,089 --> 00:56:41,460
of grievances process guarantee in the

1433
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:44,099
U.S Constitution where individuals who

1434
00:56:48,109 --> 00:56:46,319
feel like they are harmed can then bring

1435
00:56:49,849 --> 00:56:48,119
forth their case and bring forth the

1436
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:49,859
evidence for that case and call

1437
00:56:57,290 --> 00:56:54,720
witnesses and the witnesses uh uh

1438
00:56:59,450 --> 00:56:57,300
might be for people who you know who

1439
00:57:02,390 --> 00:56:59,460
worked in the program says yes I can

1440
00:57:05,930 --> 00:57:02,400
confirm that these things happen and and

1441
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:05,940
then uh and then uh they'll be having a

1442
00:57:09,950 --> 00:57:07,920
case against those who are in the

1443
00:57:11,870 --> 00:57:09,960
government and you know we have two

1444
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:11,880
sides and let that Discovery process

1445
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:13,920
happen and see what settles out there

1446
00:57:17,930 --> 00:57:15,119
but I don't want to go there because

1447
00:57:19,790 --> 00:57:17,940
that's law legal it is I don't want to

1448
00:57:20,990 --> 00:57:19,800
Prejudice anything like saying oh see I

1449
00:57:23,210 --> 00:57:21,000
know I don't want to be part of that

1450
00:57:25,730 --> 00:57:23,220
conversation the CIA officer John

1451
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:25,740
Ramirez uh said this and I don't want to

1452
00:57:30,049 --> 00:57:27,359
be used as evidence either for or

1453
00:57:31,549 --> 00:57:30,059
against yeah but I just want to say that

1454
00:57:33,710 --> 00:57:31,559
there is a process for that and for

1455
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:33,720
those who are personally injured in the

1456
00:57:38,750 --> 00:57:36,720
sense that they had experience uh some

1457
00:57:41,630 --> 00:57:38,760
psychological damage there are

1458
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:41,640
organizations to help them and one of

1459
00:57:49,549 --> 00:57:44,640
them is the UAP medical coalition

1460
00:57:51,770 --> 00:57:49,559
the uh there is a site uh for them and I

1461
00:57:53,630 --> 00:57:51,780
wish I had it on my fingertips

1462
00:57:54,530 --> 00:57:53,640
uh but

1463
00:57:56,750 --> 00:57:54,540
um

1464
00:57:58,490 --> 00:57:56,760
that's uh by Ted Rowe right Ted Rowe

1465
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:58,500
works on that uh Ted Rowe is part of

1466
00:58:01,309 --> 00:58:00,000
that yes that yeah that organization

1467
00:58:02,930 --> 00:58:01,319
there

1468
00:58:05,150 --> 00:58:02,940
um that's a great resource because then

1469
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:05,160
he can uh through that organization you

1470
00:58:10,910 --> 00:58:08,640
can see other resources out there in in

1471
00:58:12,829 --> 00:58:10,920
your community uh who there might be

1472
00:58:15,530 --> 00:58:12,839
therapists out there who are trained to

1473
00:58:18,109 --> 00:58:15,540
work with these experiences because they

1474
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:18,119
themselves are experiencers so these are

1475
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:21,119
uh um like a psychologist a psychiatrist

1476
00:58:25,490 --> 00:58:23,280
for example are they're not going to

1477
00:58:27,950 --> 00:58:25,500
like first thing oh we need to cure you

1478
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:27,960
of this like craziness and here take

1479
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:29,520
this then I'll go do that I think

1480
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:30,720
they're going to be very sympathetic

1481
00:58:34,730 --> 00:58:32,880
toward what you're saying uh to

1482
00:58:37,730 --> 00:58:34,740
understand and coming from a place of

1483
00:58:39,470 --> 00:58:37,740
like compassion it's very important uh

1484
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:39,480
that they understand what you're saying

1485
00:58:44,329 --> 00:58:42,480
and to provide resources for you to help

1486
00:58:46,849 --> 00:58:44,339
you with that experience that you may

1487
00:58:48,410 --> 00:58:46,859
have had all minded positive but I

1488
00:58:51,710 --> 00:58:48,420
recognize they're not all are positive

1489
00:58:54,170 --> 00:58:51,720
some are very negative so I would I

1490
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:54,180
would go with Ted Rose organization if

1491
00:58:59,329 --> 00:58:56,640
you could put at in a link somewhere

1492
00:59:00,410 --> 00:58:59,339
uh for this that would be very helpful

1493
00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:00,420
to people

1494
00:59:03,890 --> 00:59:02,400
sure yeah and if anybody has had an

1495
00:59:05,870 --> 00:59:03,900
experience we have quite a few reach out

1496
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:05,880
to us we provide them resources or right

1497
00:59:09,230 --> 00:59:07,680
yeah even if they have videos and things

1498
00:59:11,150 --> 00:59:09,240
that they won't investigated we get them

1499
00:59:13,069 --> 00:59:11,160
in the hands this last week we had two

1500
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:13,079
or three sent to us and um you know

1501
00:59:16,849 --> 00:59:14,880
we're happy to help in that respect but

1502
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:16,859
I know you're a techie guy weapon

1503
00:59:21,170 --> 00:59:19,680
systems guy radar guy and when I was

1504
00:59:22,490 --> 00:59:21,180
making my notes last night the first

1505
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:22,500
thing that came into my mind was a

1506
00:59:26,690 --> 00:59:24,240
recent interview we did with filmmaker

1507
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:26,700
Darcy Weir he documented everything at

1508
00:59:30,410 --> 00:59:29,520
Nasa he's done like 15 movies his latest

1509
00:59:32,510 --> 00:59:30,420
one

1510
00:59:33,710 --> 00:59:32,520
um is in regards to NASA and we were

1511
00:59:36,109 --> 00:59:33,720
chatting with him he was going into

1512
00:59:37,609 --> 00:59:36,119
these I think they're called DS2 spy

1513
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:37,619
satellites I could be wrong with that

1514
00:59:44,510 --> 00:59:39,440
but basically

1515
00:59:46,490 --> 00:59:44,520
what's that DSP DSP yes so the long and

1516
00:59:49,250 --> 00:59:46,500
short of it was that we know there's

1517
00:59:51,289 --> 00:59:49,260
high quality imagery captured because

1518
00:59:52,430 --> 00:59:51,299
there exists this network of satellites

1519
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:52,440
now I'm not going to ask you to talk

1520
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:54,720
about specifics because you did work in

1521
00:59:59,809 --> 00:59:56,640
intelligence but what are your thoughts

1522
01:00:01,609 --> 00:59:59,819
on sort of NASA you know in his film

1523
01:00:04,130 --> 01:00:01,619
he's got video yo that's NASA video

1524
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:04,140
showing UAP doing amazing things so many

1525
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:06,720
things now just yeah how are they now

1526
01:00:10,730 --> 01:00:08,880
just waking up we kind of read through

1527
01:00:12,890 --> 01:00:10,740
that but I wanted to get your thoughts

1528
01:00:17,150 --> 01:00:12,900
on the whole NASA joining the search for

1529
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:19,970
uh yeah I can address that uh in fact I

1530
01:00:25,069 --> 01:00:22,079
can there's a lot of things I can't talk

1531
01:00:27,289 --> 01:00:25,079
about our our systems uh particularly in

1532
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:27,299
this day and age uh the nro celebrated

1533
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:32,400
its 60th anniversary uh in 2021 and they

1534
01:00:36,910 --> 01:00:35,040
released a brochure uh pretty much

1535
01:00:39,950 --> 01:00:36,920
describing everything that they fly

1536
01:00:42,289 --> 01:00:39,960
including today and so they talked about

1537
01:00:46,130 --> 01:00:42,299
what was once a top secret uh

1538
01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:46,140
compartmented program called uh the uh

1539
01:00:52,490 --> 01:00:48,960
kh11 Keenan program

1540
01:00:55,309 --> 01:00:52,500
the cage 11 was once uh compartmented

1541
01:00:57,710 --> 01:00:55,319
under top secret buyman b-y-e-m-a-n

1542
01:01:00,410 --> 01:00:57,720
byman and byman protected all of these

1543
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:00,420
overhead programs and byman was like

1544
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:03,599
gone it's no longer applicable so yeah

1545
01:01:09,410 --> 01:01:06,480
there were a lot of these sensor uh

1546
01:01:12,650 --> 01:01:09,420
detections of this phenomenon that were

1547
01:01:15,530 --> 01:01:12,660
not uh human they were not Advanced

1548
01:01:18,650 --> 01:01:15,540
aircraft by our adversaries or us

1549
01:01:22,190 --> 01:01:18,660
that did display those five observables

1550
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:22,200
that uh louisano talks about

1551
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:25,920
um and so as far as NASA's role in it

1552
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:30,480
um uh we have witnesses eyewitnesses

1553
01:01:34,730 --> 01:01:32,880
called astronauts who are likely told

1554
01:01:39,049 --> 01:01:34,740
not to talk about this

1555
01:01:40,970 --> 01:01:39,059
to not say what you see what you've seen

1556
01:01:43,250 --> 01:01:40,980
um and

1557
01:01:45,530 --> 01:01:43,260
I would think that if NASA was being

1558
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:45,540
honest about what they're doing in the

1559
01:01:48,589 --> 01:01:47,760
UAP field

1560
01:01:51,530 --> 01:01:48,599
um

1561
01:01:56,510 --> 01:01:51,540
ultimately they should release the on

1562
01:01:58,670 --> 01:01:56,520
the non-air brushed photos that they had

1563
01:02:00,950 --> 01:01:58,680
and I will say that much

1564
01:02:04,690 --> 01:02:00,960
and then that would be another

1565
01:02:08,329 --> 01:02:04,700
interesting discussion uh with NASA

1566
01:02:11,930 --> 01:02:08,339
NASA is supposed to be a civilian uh

1567
01:02:13,730 --> 01:02:11,940
space agency the classified space agency

1568
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:13,740
is called nro

1569
01:02:20,750 --> 01:02:17,760
so NASA is the civilian unclassified

1570
01:02:22,069 --> 01:02:20,760
version of the nro classified Space

1571
01:02:24,650 --> 01:02:22,079
Program

1572
01:02:26,569 --> 01:02:24,660
and so it's in our role that designs

1573
01:02:28,970 --> 01:02:26,579
builds and launches

1574
01:02:30,309 --> 01:02:28,980
um many of what we uh almost everything

1575
01:02:32,990 --> 01:02:30,319
what we have

1576
01:02:35,089 --> 01:02:33,000
circling the globe controlled by the US

1577
01:02:38,690 --> 01:02:35,099
government on behalf of the Australian

1578
01:02:41,089 --> 01:02:38,700
and UK governments and also Canada as

1579
01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:41,099
one of the recipients of the data from

1580
01:02:44,990 --> 01:02:43,440
the satellites on you see anything as

1581
01:02:45,910 --> 01:02:45,000
well so let's share amongst the five

1582
01:02:50,030 --> 01:02:45,920
eyes

1583
01:02:52,970 --> 01:02:50,040
uh there's there is going to be a lot of

1584
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:52,980
data there and uh so that's what started

1585
01:02:58,010 --> 01:02:54,960
the orb working group is that they

1586
01:03:00,170 --> 01:02:58,020
actually saw this data they thought it

1587
01:03:02,630 --> 01:03:00,180
was something wrong with the uh well

1588
01:03:06,170 --> 01:03:02,640
first uh they thought you know Occam's

1589
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:06,180
razor uh oh it could be uh Advanced

1590
01:03:11,150 --> 01:03:08,160
adversarial technology

1591
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:11,160
and so my Branch the elant or electronic

1592
01:03:15,470 --> 01:03:13,440
intelligence analysis Branch was given

1593
01:03:17,390 --> 01:03:15,480
the task of looking at the adversary

1594
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:17,400
aircraft that are very advanced

1595
01:03:22,370 --> 01:03:20,640
uh what we see uh I could say this much

1596
01:03:25,730 --> 01:03:22,380
let's see very careful

1597
01:03:27,650 --> 01:03:25,740
um let's say when something of uh high

1598
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:27,660
technology belonged in an adversary is

1599
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:29,760
still in the planning stages uh usually

1600
01:03:33,530 --> 01:03:32,160
CIA gets to know about it beforehand and

1601
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:33,540
that's all I'm going to say

1602
01:03:38,349 --> 01:03:35,520
so they might like

1603
01:03:41,510 --> 01:03:38,359
design one or two and fly them covertly

1604
01:03:43,250 --> 01:03:41,520
uh but we can uh if we're lucky detect

1605
01:03:45,650 --> 01:03:43,260
that and so we can gather information

1606
01:03:49,130 --> 01:03:45,660
about it so we had some information

1607
01:03:51,890 --> 01:03:49,140
about some advanced technology that

1608
01:03:54,589 --> 01:03:51,900
um was the Russians were experimenting

1609
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:54,599
with and it's called plasma stealth

1610
01:04:00,650 --> 01:03:57,839
where they would take a uh a spot plasma

1611
01:04:02,210 --> 01:04:00,660
stealth generator and attach it to one

1612
01:04:04,849 --> 01:04:02,220
or their aircraft and it creates a

1613
01:04:09,109 --> 01:04:04,859
plasma fuel around the aircraft which uh

1614
01:04:11,089 --> 01:04:09,119
radar uh cannot uh lock onto

1615
01:04:13,490 --> 01:04:11,099
it's much more sophisticated than what

1616
01:04:14,510 --> 01:04:13,500
we did which was use conformal faceted

1617
01:04:16,670 --> 01:04:14,520
arrays

1618
01:04:19,789 --> 01:04:16,680
you know what uh if you look at the

1619
01:04:23,089 --> 01:04:19,799
F-117 it's all faceted that's what we

1620
01:04:25,370 --> 01:04:23,099
did but with radar materials ablative

1621
01:04:27,170 --> 01:04:25,380
materials they call it but they did this

1622
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:27,180
generator you could just hook it up on

1623
01:04:32,089 --> 01:04:30,000
an aircraft and boom yourself

1624
01:04:34,549 --> 01:04:32,099
um so we knew about their experiments

1625
01:04:38,329 --> 01:04:34,559
with that we looked at the two aircraft

1626
01:04:42,289 --> 01:04:38,339
in particular uh one is called the uh s

1627
01:04:44,809 --> 01:04:42,299
u Sukhoi su-34 fullback

1628
01:04:48,530 --> 01:04:44,819
of the fallback aircraft and the other

1629
01:04:49,970 --> 01:04:48,540
was the um mig-31 off

1630
01:04:54,829 --> 01:04:49,980
flanker

1631
01:04:55,430 --> 01:04:54,839
I'm sorry mig-31

1632
01:04:57,289 --> 01:04:55,440
um

1633
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:57,299
Foxtown

1634
01:05:03,650 --> 01:05:00,480
so the mig-31 foxhound is holds the uh

1635
01:05:06,650 --> 01:05:03,660
altitude record for an air breathing jet

1636
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:06,660
it went up to 123 000 feet

1637
01:05:11,030 --> 01:05:09,119
it reached there I don't think it stayed

1638
01:05:14,990 --> 01:05:11,040
there very long because there's not a

1639
01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:15,000
lot of combustible like air for its

1640
01:05:20,809 --> 01:05:18,480
engines but it got up there

1641
01:05:22,849 --> 01:05:20,819
um and it flew around a little bit and

1642
01:05:27,049 --> 01:05:22,859
had to come back down but that aircraft

1643
01:05:30,289 --> 01:05:27,059
is phenomenal it it flies combat

1644
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:30,299
uh mode 85 to 100 000 feet it was

1645
01:05:35,690 --> 01:05:32,880
designed to shoot down the SR-71

1646
01:05:37,130 --> 01:05:35,700
which is why the SR-71 will not fly they

1647
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:37,140
grounded them all

1648
01:05:42,890 --> 01:05:41,210
um so

1649
01:05:45,109 --> 01:05:42,900
it wasn't that it wasn't these two

1650
01:05:47,329 --> 01:05:45,119
aircraft or any other aircraft that's in

1651
01:05:48,849 --> 01:05:47,339
the Russian inventory and we knew when

1652
01:05:51,770 --> 01:05:48,859
they would take off because you know

1653
01:05:54,170 --> 01:05:51,780
afterburners or jet you know

1654
01:05:55,970 --> 01:05:54,180
go back to your defense Support Program

1655
01:05:57,650 --> 01:05:55,980
satellites which are no longer flying

1656
01:06:00,049 --> 01:05:57,660
anymore they've been taken offline long

1657
01:06:02,510 --> 01:06:00,059
time ago we have other sensors that are

1658
01:06:05,150 --> 01:06:02,520
IR sensors that can detect missile

1659
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:05,160
launches and aircraft

1660
01:06:09,049 --> 01:06:06,960
um weren't any of those there were no

1661
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:09,059
events like that so we we know when they

1662
01:06:14,930 --> 01:06:10,319
as soon as they light off from the

1663
01:06:17,390 --> 01:06:14,940
runway yep here they go and um so it

1664
01:06:20,569 --> 01:06:17,400
wasn't any of that they were actually

1665
01:06:23,089 --> 01:06:20,579
like unusual things that wasn't

1666
01:06:25,130 --> 01:06:23,099
explained uh oh it must be something

1667
01:06:26,510 --> 01:06:25,140
wrong with the satellite nope not wrong

1668
01:06:28,970 --> 01:06:26,520
satellite not wrong with software

1669
01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:28,980
processing satellite images all of that

1670
01:06:34,970 --> 01:06:31,680
so let's start at the orb working group

1671
01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:34,980
which actually met because I I signed

1672
01:06:38,930 --> 01:06:36,720
the travel documents for my two

1673
01:06:39,470 --> 01:06:38,940
Engineers I sent

1674
01:06:41,569 --> 01:06:39,480
um

1675
01:06:43,730 --> 01:06:41,579
and they went there

1676
01:06:47,210 --> 01:06:43,740
um as representing CIA along with other

1677
01:06:49,789 --> 01:06:47,220
CIA officers I was invited to join to be

1678
01:06:52,370 --> 01:06:49,799
read into the full program that they had

1679
01:06:54,109 --> 01:06:52,380
and I go no thank you if I got read in

1680
01:06:55,849 --> 01:06:54,119
you would never hear from me you

1681
01:06:57,170 --> 01:06:55,859
wouldn't have heard from me right so I

1682
01:06:59,809 --> 01:06:57,180
did get read in but I knew what it was

1683
01:07:02,270 --> 01:06:59,819
about and everything and um so people

1684
01:07:03,589 --> 01:07:02,280
are saying well you're lying because if

1685
01:07:06,109 --> 01:07:03,599
this was a real program you wouldn't be

1686
01:07:07,609 --> 01:07:06,119
able to talk about it ah I wrote the CIA

1687
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:07,619
before it came out and saying I know

1688
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:10,079
these things is it okay and they go it's

1689
01:07:15,650 --> 01:07:13,680
unclassified so okay you know so yeah

1690
01:07:18,289 --> 01:07:15,660
there were there were programs to detect

1691
01:07:21,349 --> 01:07:18,299
these objects um

1692
01:07:23,930 --> 01:07:21,359
uh and NASA probably has a lot of

1693
01:07:26,029 --> 01:07:23,940
information there and I would not doubt

1694
01:07:27,890 --> 01:07:26,039
that they got rid of

1695
01:07:29,809 --> 01:07:27,900
um data by airbrushing it out and

1696
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:29,819
telling astronauts not to talk about it

1697
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:32,160
so as far as this group that's uh I

1698
01:07:36,109 --> 01:07:34,079
think they're reporting on May 31st in a

1699
01:07:37,430 --> 01:07:36,119
few days yeah have you seen the list of

1700
01:07:40,970 --> 01:07:37,440
questions though that they're supposedly

1701
01:07:42,650 --> 01:07:40,980
asking I would like to see that people

1702
01:07:44,210 --> 01:07:42,660
and these were the most popular

1703
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:44,220
questions they definitely didn't pull

1704
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:47,280
anybody who's a UFO not or interested in

1705
01:07:54,289 --> 01:07:51,119
this topic be aware that uh Beware I

1706
01:07:56,690 --> 01:07:54,299
guess beware that some of this is like

1707
01:07:58,370 --> 01:07:56,700
uh orchestrated in some way yeah I want

1708
01:07:59,950 --> 01:07:58,380
to give NASA some credit though that

1709
01:08:03,230 --> 01:07:59,960
they're going to do the what they can

1710
01:08:06,049 --> 01:08:03,240
but NASA at this meeting is operating

1711
01:08:08,029 --> 01:08:06,059
prior to disclosure

1712
01:08:10,490 --> 01:08:08,039
so they're going to be restricted like

1713
01:08:12,230 --> 01:08:10,500
uh Dr Patrick

1714
01:08:14,750 --> 01:08:12,240
and what you can say they're going to be

1715
01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:14,760
restricted about what they can say so I

1716
01:08:19,189 --> 01:08:16,319
wouldn't it would not surprise me that

1717
01:08:21,890 --> 01:08:19,199
NASA now in a few days will say things

1718
01:08:23,150 --> 01:08:21,900
and then NASA after disclosure will say

1719
01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:23,160
something different

1720
01:08:27,650 --> 01:08:24,960
and after disclosure they'll be a little

1721
01:08:29,630 --> 01:08:27,660
more honest about what they know

1722
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:29,640
um there are there is a CIA officer

1723
01:08:34,430 --> 01:08:32,400
embedded in that uh study group

1724
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:34,440
I'm not going to call out his name but

1725
01:08:38,450 --> 01:08:36,000
he was in CIA

1726
01:08:39,169 --> 01:08:38,460
uh in the imagery field

1727
01:08:40,970 --> 01:08:39,179
um

1728
01:08:42,530 --> 01:08:40,980
he worked for an organization called the

1729
01:08:44,510 --> 01:08:42,540
national photographic interpretation

1730
01:08:47,570 --> 01:08:44,520
Center which was part of the director of

1731
01:08:49,370 --> 01:08:47,580
science technology when I was there and

1732
01:08:51,650 --> 01:08:49,380
now it's called The National geospatial

1733
01:08:54,349 --> 01:08:51,660
Intelligence Agency which has all of the

1734
01:08:56,450 --> 01:08:54,359
photographic and video data of all of

1735
01:08:58,189 --> 01:08:56,460
these uaps

1736
01:09:00,110 --> 01:08:58,199
um and he's there but he you know he was

1737
01:09:02,150 --> 01:09:00,120
associated with uh digital globe and

1738
01:09:05,150 --> 01:09:02,160
maxar Technologies which provide the

1739
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:05,160
imagery for Google Earth for example and

1740
01:09:08,930 --> 01:09:07,440
he's there and I don't I'm not saying

1741
01:09:10,910 --> 01:09:08,940
that he's there as a plant or anything

1742
01:09:12,890 --> 01:09:10,920
but he would know the background

1743
01:09:15,890 --> 01:09:12,900
information

1744
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:15,900
um as to what we are really interested

1745
01:09:20,209 --> 01:09:18,239
in and maybe he won't be prepared to uh

1746
01:09:22,550 --> 01:09:20,219
at that at this time reveal anything

1747
01:09:24,110 --> 01:09:22,560
that he might know and I know I'm going

1748
01:09:25,249 --> 01:09:24,120
to get a phone call about what just told

1749
01:09:27,950 --> 01:09:25,259
you

1750
01:09:29,630 --> 01:09:27,960
basically it's it's disclosure foreplay

1751
01:09:30,829 --> 01:09:29,640
you know what I mean you gotta kiss a

1752
01:09:32,090 --> 01:09:30,839
little bit before you progress to

1753
01:09:33,410 --> 01:09:32,100
anything else and that's yeah I would

1754
01:09:35,390 --> 01:09:33,420
say it seems like that's what's going on

1755
01:09:36,650 --> 01:09:35,400
first absolutely exactly take her out to

1756
01:09:38,809 --> 01:09:36,660
dinner you know what I mean like do

1757
01:09:41,630 --> 01:09:38,819
something yeah when is this disclosure

1758
01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:41,640
date though I mean I know you can't say

1759
01:09:48,890 --> 01:09:43,759
are we talking months years

1760
01:09:51,050 --> 01:09:48,900
a decade I was surprised that uh Steve

1761
01:09:54,410 --> 01:09:51,060
Steve Bassett

1762
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:54,420
you know he he hashtag months not years

1763
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:56,400
that was the episode we made with him he

1764
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:58,320
basically came right up now to the

1765
01:10:01,550 --> 01:09:59,760
defense of people that are a little bit

1766
01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:01,560
critical of Steve he's been saying this

1767
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:04,080
for decades but yeah never as loud and

1768
01:10:09,890 --> 01:10:06,960
as affirmative as right now saying but

1769
01:10:13,250 --> 01:10:09,900
but I also think Steve in his

1770
01:10:16,250 --> 01:10:13,260
quest to find the truth is a little bit

1771
01:10:19,010 --> 01:10:16,260
jumping to conclusions like has to be

1772
01:10:20,810 --> 01:10:19,020
aliens they have to be in craft no such

1773
01:10:23,090 --> 01:10:20,820
thing as Interstellar interdimensional

1774
01:10:26,090 --> 01:10:23,100
and I I don't think it's good for people

1775
01:10:28,130 --> 01:10:26,100
to throw out the baby yeah yeah yeah I

1776
01:10:30,290 --> 01:10:28,140
don't know right I would tell them and

1777
01:10:31,310 --> 01:10:30,300
uh full disclosure he and I did have a

1778
01:10:33,770 --> 01:10:31,320
conversation

1779
01:10:35,390 --> 01:10:33,780
at the UFO conference 2023 in San

1780
01:10:38,990 --> 01:10:35,400
Francisco

1781
01:10:40,669 --> 01:10:39,000
and all I did was uh Mr Bassett I

1782
01:10:42,530 --> 01:10:40,679
endorse what you're saying and it's all

1783
01:10:44,209 --> 01:10:42,540
I'm going to say you know we're talking

1784
01:10:46,850 --> 01:10:44,219
mine's not doing good work you're doing

1785
01:10:48,410 --> 01:10:46,860
good work keep it up keep it up but I

1786
01:10:49,790 --> 01:10:48,420
think he's on the right track

1787
01:10:51,950 --> 01:10:49,800
um

1788
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:51,960
that time is right especially since we

1789
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:54,719
have uh in the United States uh there's

1790
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:56,640
these this presidential primary

1791
01:11:01,970 --> 01:10:59,280
campaigns revving up and traditionally

1792
01:11:05,649 --> 01:11:01,980
it revs up after our Labor Day uh which

1793
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:05,659
is in uh the first is it first Monday in

1794
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:08,880
in September I believe yes

1795
01:11:13,850 --> 01:11:11,280
um and between that time and the holiday

1796
01:11:15,950 --> 01:11:13,860
season which is Thanksgiving day here in

1797
01:11:18,110 --> 01:11:15,960
the United States so between those two

1798
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:18,120
dates I would say that's a good time for

1799
01:11:23,209 --> 01:11:20,640
it to come forward because it captures

1800
01:11:26,030 --> 01:11:23,219
that early uh that presidential campaign

1801
01:11:28,189 --> 01:11:26,040
season and before the holidays when you

1802
01:11:30,770 --> 01:11:28,199
know no one cares uh the only thing they

1803
01:11:33,229 --> 01:11:30,780
want to see in the sky is Santa Claus so

1804
01:11:37,189 --> 01:11:33,239
they don't care about

1805
01:11:38,330 --> 01:11:37,199
any non-humans flying uh but uh boy that

1806
01:11:40,970 --> 01:11:38,340
would be something Santa Claus is

1807
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:40,980
actually not human but anyway

1808
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:43,440
um yeah I think it's in those in that

1809
01:11:47,570 --> 01:11:46,320
time frame it'll be a good time for the

1810
01:11:50,570 --> 01:11:47,580
government to do whatever it's going to

1811
01:11:52,490 --> 01:11:50,580
do nice so I I have one more question

1812
01:11:54,770 --> 01:11:52,500
from me and then we'll get into some

1813
01:11:56,689 --> 01:11:54,780
listener questions if that's okay sure

1814
01:11:58,669 --> 01:11:56,699
really quickly but my my last questions

1815
01:12:01,010 --> 01:11:58,679
is

1816
01:12:02,510 --> 01:12:01,020
sort of the the party that's waiting in

1817
01:12:04,910 --> 01:12:02,520
the wings right now which I think will

1818
01:12:08,270 --> 01:12:04,920
have a huge impact going forward after

1819
01:12:09,890 --> 01:12:08,280
disclosure is space force right because

1820
01:12:11,810 --> 01:12:09,900
we're not hearing much about them right

1821
01:12:13,850 --> 01:12:11,820
now but there's some things afoot there

1822
01:12:15,770 --> 01:12:13,860
yeah and you know with disclosure I

1823
01:12:19,130 --> 01:12:15,780
think space force will come more into

1824
01:12:21,350 --> 01:12:19,140
play uh because now be you know it's our

1825
01:12:25,310 --> 01:12:21,360
defense system in space so obviously

1826
01:12:28,189 --> 01:12:25,320
anything alien related or inter or uh

1827
01:12:30,050 --> 01:12:28,199
you know uh terrestrial versus

1828
01:12:32,810 --> 01:12:30,060
extraterrestrial that they're in charge

1829
01:12:35,090 --> 01:12:32,820
of that defense so just in your personal

1830
01:12:36,590 --> 01:12:35,100
uh opinion like do do you think space

1831
01:12:38,810 --> 01:12:36,600
force is gonna have a big part to play

1832
01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:38,820
going forward with this disclosure

1833
01:12:43,010 --> 01:12:39,840
movement

1834
01:12:45,110 --> 01:12:43,020
well uh going back to uh what the US

1835
01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:45,120
government can detect those detection

1836
01:12:51,649 --> 01:12:48,719
systems uh for space and for the space

1837
01:12:53,390 --> 01:12:51,659
domain as they call it part of this what

1838
01:12:57,890 --> 01:12:53,400
space force likes to call space

1839
01:12:58,430 --> 01:12:57,900
situational awareness part of that um

1840
01:13:01,550 --> 01:12:58,440
um

1841
01:13:03,770 --> 01:13:01,560
area of space force

1842
01:13:07,070 --> 01:13:03,780
will come into play for sure because

1843
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:07,080
they own the systems they operate the

1844
01:13:11,390 --> 01:13:10,080
systems that have detected these objects

1845
01:13:13,970 --> 01:13:11,400
in space

1846
01:13:15,649 --> 01:13:13,980
so it's not just the nro

1847
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:15,659
which is more for the intelligence

1848
01:13:18,709 --> 01:13:16,800
community

1849
01:13:21,229 --> 01:13:18,719
for people like me who are intelligence

1850
01:13:25,310 --> 01:13:21,239
analysts to be able to do their work and

1851
01:13:27,470 --> 01:13:25,320
Reporting on developments of our foreign

1852
01:13:29,630 --> 01:13:27,480
adversaries but they're they're looking

1853
01:13:31,010 --> 01:13:29,640
at everything we we an intelligence

1854
01:13:32,810 --> 01:13:31,020
Community don't look over the United

1855
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:32,820
States we're not allowed to look over

1856
01:13:38,149 --> 01:13:36,000
the United States we can't spy on our

1857
01:13:41,570 --> 01:13:38,159
five eyes partners

1858
01:13:43,550 --> 01:13:41,580
at all so we by the way Canadians can

1859
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:43,560
spy on Americans and Americans can spy

1860
01:13:49,070 --> 01:13:46,080
on Canadians but we can't spy on our own

1861
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:49,080
people uh just in a hint about you know

1862
01:13:54,290 --> 01:13:51,120
information exchanges that might happen

1863
01:13:56,090 --> 01:13:54,300
uh but I won't go there I don't want to

1864
01:13:57,950 --> 01:13:56,100
talk I'll get in trouble with the

1865
01:14:02,330 --> 01:13:57,960
Canadian Security establishment I think

1866
01:14:03,649 --> 01:14:02,340
it's called CCSC yes yeah yeah they're

1867
01:14:05,450 --> 01:14:03,659
pretty good at their job too because

1868
01:14:07,490 --> 01:14:05,460
you'll never hear anything from them

1869
01:14:11,149 --> 01:14:07,500
like you've never heard oh it's a thesis

1870
01:14:13,070 --> 01:14:11,159
leak never ever listening right now so

1871
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:13,080
hello everybody yeah exactly nice to see

1872
01:14:16,850 --> 01:14:15,360
you today yeah the CE certain Stanford

1873
01:14:18,590 --> 01:14:16,860
Canada should stand for covert because

1874
01:14:21,229 --> 01:14:18,600
they you're right they're very good at

1875
01:14:22,610 --> 01:14:21,239
what they do very good yeah but back to

1876
01:14:24,830 --> 01:14:22,620
space force you know they do have the

1877
01:14:27,229 --> 01:14:24,840
sensors that have detected uh these

1878
01:14:29,090 --> 01:14:27,239
objects uh they do have them

1879
01:14:30,770 --> 01:14:29,100
um I contend that they didn't have to

1880
01:14:33,229 --> 01:14:30,780
filter anything in the radar because I

1881
01:14:34,729 --> 01:14:33,239
know how Radars work yeah um The Radars

1882
01:14:36,890 --> 01:14:34,739
collected everything and it's in truck

1883
01:14:38,930 --> 01:14:36,900
files that they can go back uh what they

1884
01:14:40,850 --> 01:14:38,940
did filter was not any thing that the

1885
01:14:43,130 --> 01:14:40,860
radar did but what the humans did and

1886
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:43,140
that what the humans did was to ignore

1887
01:14:47,390 --> 01:14:45,360
these other objects

1888
01:14:49,010 --> 01:14:47,400
and when they say well let's pay

1889
01:14:51,649 --> 01:14:49,020
attention to these objects uh they're

1890
01:14:53,450 --> 01:14:51,659
there and that's what happened so you

1891
01:14:56,149 --> 01:14:53,460
know I did a whole thing with Chris Ledo

1892
01:14:59,090 --> 01:14:56,159
about how The Radars work and what The

1893
01:15:01,010 --> 01:14:59,100
Radars are uh most of them are across

1894
01:15:02,510 --> 01:15:01,020
your country as part of the north

1895
01:15:04,250 --> 01:15:02,520
warning system

1896
01:15:06,050 --> 01:15:04,260
um so

1897
01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:06,060
you know I I think space force is going

1898
01:15:10,189 --> 01:15:07,440
to be very important because they own

1899
01:15:13,370 --> 01:15:10,199
the sensors uh if anything and their

1900
01:15:16,130 --> 01:15:13,380
domain goes from 50 miles above

1901
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:16,140
Earth all the way up

1902
01:15:23,149 --> 01:15:19,199
to above and beyond you know yeah

1903
01:15:24,830 --> 01:15:23,159
Buzz Lightyear territory you know so and

1904
01:15:27,050 --> 01:15:24,840
here we have City looking for radio

1905
01:15:29,450 --> 01:15:27,060
signals I don't understand study at all

1906
01:15:31,610 --> 01:15:29,460
no me neither talk to Jimmy Blanchett

1907
01:15:32,990 --> 01:15:31,620
and you know I I joined Jimmy and

1908
01:15:35,630 --> 01:15:33,000
scratching our heads what are they

1909
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:35,640
looking for yeah yeah don't you only

1910
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:37,920
have to look up there too far it's like

1911
01:15:41,209 --> 01:15:39,600
looking through a keyhole and then

1912
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:41,219
expecting that you're gonna solve the

1913
01:15:44,510 --> 01:15:42,960
problem like well and look at the amount

1914
01:15:46,610 --> 01:15:44,520
of time involved right I watched the

1915
01:15:48,110 --> 01:15:46,620
thing the other day on the wow signal we

1916
01:15:50,689 --> 01:15:48,120
all really want to believe but we're

1917
01:15:53,030 --> 01:15:50,699
looking for radio Transmissions which is

1918
01:15:55,850 --> 01:15:53,040
very archaic but just the amount of time

1919
01:15:58,189 --> 01:15:55,860
involved if they did send a response

1920
01:16:00,890 --> 01:15:58,199
from some Galaxy that's how many light

1921
01:16:02,810 --> 01:16:00,900
years away maybe that was sent a million

1922
01:16:04,490 --> 01:16:02,820
years ago we got the wow signal we're

1923
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:04,500
waiting for something else maybe they

1924
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:06,480
that doesn't exist anymore maybe that

1925
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:09,120
Civilization is gone and it's just

1926
01:16:13,850 --> 01:16:11,520
because of the the nature of just

1927
01:16:15,229 --> 01:16:13,860
physics being what they are it's not a

1928
01:16:16,910 --> 01:16:15,239
practical way of communicating with

1929
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:16,920
anything I know a little bit of wattage

1930
01:16:22,370 --> 01:16:19,679
can go very far into outer space it it's

1931
01:16:24,110 --> 01:16:22,380
cheap and you can sort of spray and pray

1932
01:16:26,030 --> 01:16:24,120
you can hit a massive area and that's

1933
01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:26,040
what Jimmy's doing but to your point

1934
01:16:29,689 --> 01:16:27,600
John you don't have to go very far

1935
01:16:30,950 --> 01:16:29,699
they're right here people send them to

1936
01:16:33,590 --> 01:16:30,960
us they catch them with their cell

1937
01:16:36,050 --> 01:16:33,600
phones you know they come around in the

1938
01:16:38,330 --> 01:16:36,060
middle of the night yeah you don't need

1939
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:38,340
to have stuff that's that big you don't

1940
01:16:43,970 --> 01:16:41,760
need to look for archaic modes of of uh

1941
01:16:45,709 --> 01:16:43,980
of communication right and any again

1942
01:16:48,169 --> 01:16:45,719
we're thinking about this phenomenon

1943
01:16:49,790 --> 01:16:48,179
like humans not like non-human

1944
01:16:51,830 --> 01:16:49,800
intelligence as wood and maybe that's

1945
01:16:54,350 --> 01:16:51,840
impossible for us to do because we're

1946
01:16:55,970 --> 01:16:54,360
limited by our sensors and what we can

1947
01:16:57,830 --> 01:16:55,980
see and what we can hear and all that

1948
01:16:59,810 --> 01:16:57,840
but but last question I want to ask you

1949
01:17:01,669 --> 01:16:59,820
before we get into the a few viewer

1950
01:17:04,310 --> 01:17:01,679
questions from Jason is the idea of

1951
01:17:06,530 --> 01:17:04,320
hybrids a lot of these abduction cases

1952
01:17:09,050 --> 01:17:06,540
talk about genetic material being

1953
01:17:12,050 --> 01:17:09,060
removed uh you know Whitley streepers

1954
01:17:14,270 --> 01:17:12,060
very graphic but essentially they're

1955
01:17:17,209 --> 01:17:14,280
taking seed from males and over them

1956
01:17:18,770 --> 01:17:17,219
from females for some purpose and you

1957
01:17:21,169 --> 01:17:18,780
can really go down the Wu train and the

1958
01:17:24,110 --> 01:17:21,179
rabbit hole on that but what are your

1959
01:17:26,570 --> 01:17:24,120
thoughts just as as an opinion on sort

1960
01:17:28,550 --> 01:17:26,580
of hybrids and what the need for this

1961
01:17:29,689 --> 01:17:28,560
genetic material from humans could

1962
01:17:31,729 --> 01:17:29,699
potentially be

1963
01:17:34,430 --> 01:17:31,739
well I've always contended that we are

1964
01:17:36,770 --> 01:17:34,440
all hybrids all humans are hybrids from

1965
01:17:38,510 --> 01:17:36,780
the very beginning even if uh if you

1966
01:17:40,370 --> 01:17:38,520
don't believe in any of this or don't

1967
01:17:43,189 --> 01:17:40,380
even follow any of this as we

1968
01:17:45,470 --> 01:17:43,199
enthusiasts do yeah let's say that you

1969
01:17:47,630 --> 01:17:45,480
believe in the Book of Genesis

1970
01:17:49,010 --> 01:17:47,640
let's go there and in the Book of

1971
01:17:52,970 --> 01:17:49,020
Genesis you have a Divine being

1972
01:17:56,030 --> 01:17:52,980
non-human who imparted its image onto

1973
01:17:59,149 --> 01:17:56,040
humans yeah okay so that right there

1974
01:18:01,430 --> 01:17:59,159
tells you that humans if you are very

1975
01:18:05,149 --> 01:18:01,440
religious and believe in Genesis humans

1976
01:18:08,030 --> 01:18:05,159
are part Divine that is non-human and

1977
01:18:11,450 --> 01:18:08,040
part human that and then if you further

1978
01:18:14,630 --> 01:18:11,460
believe in uh in the Bible let's say the

1979
01:18:17,209 --> 01:18:14,640
New Testament you would believe that you

1980
01:18:18,229 --> 01:18:17,219
know that Jesus was part Divine and part

1981
01:18:20,270 --> 01:18:18,239
human

1982
01:18:21,890 --> 01:18:20,280
that's the definition

1983
01:18:25,490 --> 01:18:21,900
instead of saying Divine we can say

1984
01:18:27,770 --> 01:18:25,500
non-human uh a human of a non-human

1985
01:18:28,689 --> 01:18:27,780
being of advanced Consciousness let's

1986
01:18:32,689 --> 01:18:28,699
say

1987
01:18:34,490 --> 01:18:32,699
and Incorporated uh with the DNA of a

1988
01:18:38,090 --> 01:18:34,500
human so right there

1989
01:18:43,130 --> 01:18:38,100
you have if I could rewrite the Bible

1990
01:18:46,130 --> 01:18:43,140
I would make it into what I call an EXO

1991
01:18:48,110 --> 01:18:46,140
EXO Bible that is uh something that

1992
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:48,120
incorporates this phenomenon because

1993
01:18:52,550 --> 01:18:50,640
then if you rewrite it that way using

1994
01:18:54,410 --> 01:18:52,560
what we know so far about this

1995
01:18:56,930 --> 01:18:54,420
phenomenon you'll have a remarkable

1996
01:18:59,030 --> 01:18:56,940
story of visitations by non-humans with

1997
01:19:00,229 --> 01:18:59,040
humans and the interactions between the

1998
01:19:03,290 --> 01:19:00,239
two

1999
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:03,300
because then who you know in in the

2000
01:19:08,990 --> 01:19:05,760
Bible it says that Mary was like visited

2001
01:19:12,470 --> 01:19:09,000
by Angels taking up somewhere and I was

2002
01:19:15,830 --> 01:19:12,480
told that she would carry this baby

2003
01:19:18,890 --> 01:19:15,840
and that the baby would be not from a

2004
01:19:23,450 --> 01:19:18,900
her human uh Joseph

2005
01:19:25,250 --> 01:19:23,460
right and so did she get implanted

2006
01:19:27,530 --> 01:19:25,260
and then brought back

2007
01:19:28,570 --> 01:19:27,540
it was middle of the night right it was

2008
01:19:31,669 --> 01:19:28,580
good

2009
01:19:32,990 --> 01:19:31,679
it's classic thing you know and then you

2010
01:19:34,850 --> 01:19:33,000
have Jesus

2011
01:19:36,709 --> 01:19:34,860
um you know with the transit call it

2012
01:19:38,750 --> 01:19:36,719
this is called the Transfiguration or

2013
01:19:41,209 --> 01:19:38,760
something uh you have the old prophets

2014
01:19:43,430 --> 01:19:41,219
coming down and one of the disciples uh

2015
01:19:45,649 --> 01:19:43,440
in the Garden of Gethsemane uh was

2016
01:19:48,110 --> 01:19:45,659
awakens and witnessed it oh there's

2017
01:19:49,910 --> 01:19:48,120
Moses there's you know these other old

2018
01:19:52,250 --> 01:19:49,920
prophets of all with Jesus and it was

2019
01:19:54,770 --> 01:19:52,260
like shimmering light you know my God I

2020
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:54,780
mean that's the whole Bible is full of

2021
01:20:02,209 --> 01:19:58,560
experiences written by experiencers

2022
01:20:04,610 --> 01:20:02,219
profits are like channelers right so

2023
01:20:06,590 --> 01:20:04,620
going back to um your hyper question and

2024
01:20:08,930 --> 01:20:06,600
we're all hybrids I think

2025
01:20:14,689 --> 01:20:08,940
um but what I was told

2026
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:16,729
um and I wish I'd have taken the meeting

2027
01:20:21,169 --> 01:20:19,440
agenda which was unclassified and the

2028
01:20:23,570 --> 01:20:21,179
meeting uh attendees which was

2029
01:20:26,990 --> 01:20:23,580
unclassified at the time

2030
01:20:32,390 --> 01:20:27,000
um what I was told that the um the CIA

2031
01:20:38,290 --> 01:20:36,050
and that the interest goes back to after

2032
01:20:42,530 --> 01:20:38,300
World War II

2033
01:20:44,510 --> 01:20:42,540
now do we have the means to

2034
01:20:45,770 --> 01:20:44,520
um sequence the human genome back then

2035
01:20:47,570 --> 01:20:45,780
no

2036
01:20:49,550 --> 01:20:47,580
but I always get arguments that well we

2037
01:20:52,669 --> 01:20:49,560
didn't know about DNA after World War II

2038
01:20:54,169 --> 01:20:52,679
well DNA was discovered in the 1860s

2039
01:20:56,689 --> 01:20:54,179
so they knew there was something called

2040
01:20:59,390 --> 01:20:56,699
DNA from the 1860s

2041
01:21:01,310 --> 01:20:59,400
and so DNA existed but they didn't just

2042
01:21:04,189 --> 01:21:01,320
did not was not able to they were not

2043
01:21:05,870 --> 01:21:04,199
able to sequence it all completely that

2044
01:21:08,689 --> 01:21:05,880
didn't happen until like recent years

2045
01:21:11,270 --> 01:21:08,699
and through the 90s and early 2000s when

2046
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:11,280
we finally had the technology to do so

2047
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:13,440
but what they discovered was oh my gosh

2048
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:15,120
you know there's some really interesting

2049
01:21:19,669 --> 01:21:16,800
things about human DNA there's these

2050
01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:19,679
splices in human DNA that did not occur

2051
01:21:25,729 --> 01:21:22,560
because of Natural Evolution

2052
01:21:28,070 --> 01:21:25,739
yeah and so how did those splices occur

2053
01:21:32,030 --> 01:21:28,080
you know what happened

2054
01:21:34,130 --> 01:21:32,040
um so I know from sources again I'm

2055
01:21:35,630 --> 01:21:34,140
sorry I cannot reveal these sources so

2056
01:21:39,890 --> 01:21:35,640
if you don't believe me because I can't

2057
01:21:43,850 --> 01:21:39,900
review the sources so be it but the the

2058
01:21:46,850 --> 01:21:43,860
hybrid story is part of the phenomenon

2059
01:21:50,590 --> 01:21:46,860
story it's a very important part

2060
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:50,600
as are these experiences as are implants

2061
01:21:55,910 --> 01:21:52,560
implants are an important part of the

2062
01:21:58,970 --> 01:21:55,920
story as well why are we hybrids or why

2063
01:22:01,970 --> 01:21:58,980
are do we have implants I do not know

2064
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:01,980
I was told I had an implant not from

2065
01:22:06,590 --> 01:22:04,320
anybody in government but by people who

2066
01:22:08,630 --> 01:22:06,600
are what we call light workers people

2067
01:22:10,970 --> 01:22:08,640
look at light workers as you know these

2068
01:22:14,689 --> 01:22:10,980
people who are like out there in a new

2069
01:22:15,350 --> 01:22:14,699
AG land and we can discount them but

2070
01:22:17,209 --> 01:22:15,360
um

2071
01:22:21,370 --> 01:22:17,219
they help me understand what was going

2072
01:22:23,810 --> 01:22:21,380
on with me my own personal self and

2073
01:22:25,790 --> 01:22:23,820
independently they said I can one of

2074
01:22:26,930 --> 01:22:25,800
them said your your implant gives me a

2075
01:22:30,189 --> 01:22:26,940
headache

2076
01:22:33,290 --> 01:22:30,199
and I just want to call out Laurette yes

2077
01:22:36,229 --> 01:22:33,300
Laurette told me that uh my implant gave

2078
01:22:38,689 --> 01:22:36,239
her a headache um I have another

2079
01:22:40,729 --> 01:22:38,699
light worker named Nancy who said the

2080
01:22:42,350 --> 01:22:40,739
same thing and

2081
01:22:43,490 --> 01:22:42,360
um it didn't give her a headache but she

2082
01:22:46,010 --> 01:22:43,500
could hear it

2083
01:22:49,070 --> 01:22:46,020
and then um my light worker Glenn

2084
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:49,080
spelled with two ends and she uh is

2085
01:22:53,090 --> 01:22:52,080
going back to Vicenza Italy she said you

2086
01:22:55,130 --> 01:22:53,100
know

2087
01:22:57,590 --> 01:22:55,140
you're actually an alien living in a

2088
01:23:00,350 --> 01:22:57,600
human body and say well I knew that all

2089
01:23:03,010 --> 01:23:00,360
along my wife tells me that all along

2090
01:23:05,630 --> 01:23:03,020
when I'm not being a good husband

2091
01:23:07,910 --> 01:23:05,640
can't do the dishes honey Eminem yeah

2092
01:23:09,229 --> 01:23:07,920
she's an angel I'm the alien right so

2093
01:23:10,130 --> 01:23:09,239
anyway

2094
01:23:12,830 --> 01:23:10,140
um

2095
01:23:14,209 --> 01:23:12,840
but seriously yeah I think hybrids are

2096
01:23:16,550 --> 01:23:14,219
part of the story

2097
01:23:19,130 --> 01:23:16,560
um that might be revealed much later on

2098
01:23:20,689 --> 01:23:19,140
if they ever reveal it I'm saying that

2099
01:23:22,669 --> 01:23:20,699
the government knows that the hybrid's

2100
01:23:24,770 --> 01:23:22,679
real I'm saying the government knows the

2101
01:23:27,649 --> 01:23:24,780
implants are real right the implant

2102
01:23:30,169 --> 01:23:27,659
story is coming out now uh Jim Simi van

2103
01:23:32,270 --> 01:23:30,179
talked about implant

2104
01:23:35,149 --> 01:23:32,280
that's uh one of our uh one of our

2105
01:23:37,790 --> 01:23:35,159
friends Chris grant that was related to

2106
01:23:39,130 --> 01:23:37,800
this uh he asked that because you hadn't

2107
01:23:42,770 --> 01:23:39,140
mentioned it before that the government

2108
01:23:46,010 --> 01:23:42,780
admitted that Humanity are pretty much a

2109
01:23:49,250 --> 01:23:46,020
hybrid species and he was wondering uh

2110
01:23:51,229 --> 01:23:49,260
hybrids of what specifically like do we

2111
01:23:53,330 --> 01:23:51,239
kind of have an idea or is it just right

2112
01:23:55,070 --> 01:23:53,340
now it's unknown but we know that

2113
01:23:57,950 --> 01:23:55,080
there's obviously something there

2114
01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:57,960
well you know people have seen nordics

2115
01:24:04,130 --> 01:24:00,480
on board crafts right and the nordics

2116
01:24:04,850 --> 01:24:04,140
are closest to us biologically

2117
01:24:08,030 --> 01:24:04,860
um

2118
01:24:11,030 --> 01:24:08,040
that's my best guess

2119
01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:11,040
um I don't know what we're hybrids of

2120
01:24:14,810 --> 01:24:13,199
uh I do know through Natural Evolution

2121
01:24:17,209 --> 01:24:14,820
that

2122
01:24:20,330 --> 01:24:17,219
um the embryos of humans and the embryos

2123
01:24:23,330 --> 01:24:20,340
of reptiles Earth reptiles have similar

2124
01:24:25,970 --> 01:24:23,340
characteristics like not entirely

2125
01:24:29,890 --> 01:24:25,980
similar but they're like muscle groups

2126
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:29,900
in the embryo human hand

2127
01:24:36,050 --> 01:24:33,840
that are also found in reptiles

2128
01:24:37,250 --> 01:24:36,060
even in the brain There's A Primitive

2129
01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:37,260
part of the brain that they call the

2130
01:24:42,410 --> 01:24:39,600
reptile brain it's mainly associated

2131
01:24:44,330 --> 01:24:42,420
with like um basic functions breathing

2132
01:24:45,950 --> 01:24:44,340
and things like that but yeah like we

2133
01:24:48,050 --> 01:24:45,960
have a tail when we're in uterine we're

2134
01:24:50,750 --> 01:24:48,060
in an egg it's yeah there are a lot of

2135
01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:50,760
reptilian before mammals evolve we came

2136
01:24:54,770 --> 01:24:52,560
from single-celled organisms and then

2137
01:24:57,410 --> 01:24:54,780
everything else before looking the way

2138
01:25:00,470 --> 01:24:57,420
we do so right but here's some yeah the

2139
01:25:03,410 --> 01:25:00,480
question is uh did that did we result as

2140
01:25:05,030 --> 01:25:03,420
an uh As Natural Evolution or was there

2141
01:25:06,709 --> 01:25:05,040
an intervention and then you have

2142
01:25:08,570 --> 01:25:06,719
anthropologists saying ah there's this

2143
01:25:10,010 --> 01:25:08,580
missing Gap somewhere yeah we can't

2144
01:25:13,010 --> 01:25:10,020
account for this missing Gap and I'm

2145
01:25:15,050 --> 01:25:13,020
telling you that's the part where this

2146
01:25:16,610 --> 01:25:15,060
intervention occurred that's why there's

2147
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:16,620
no Missing Link we're trying to find a

2148
01:25:21,770 --> 01:25:19,679
fossil record of some animals connects

2149
01:25:23,870 --> 01:25:21,780
us to that to the Apes maybe there is no

2150
01:25:25,669 --> 01:25:23,880
such thing maybe we are a separate

2151
01:25:29,450 --> 01:25:25,679
lineage because like you said there's a

2152
01:25:32,030 --> 01:25:29,460
piece yeah there's acceleration of us

2153
01:25:33,770 --> 01:25:32,040
um uh may have occurred well there's

2154
01:25:35,930 --> 01:25:33,780
there's what there's five apes right

2155
01:25:38,330 --> 01:25:35,940
cause you got the chimpanzee the gorilla

2156
01:25:40,430 --> 01:25:38,340
humans are in the middle of the genome I

2157
01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:40,440
think you got a bonobos and then the

2158
01:25:46,490 --> 01:25:43,920
orangutan right but out of all the Apes

2159
01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:46,500
We Stand Out the most like look at what

2160
01:25:50,990 --> 01:25:48,480
we're able to do today you know what I

2161
01:25:53,870 --> 01:25:51,000
mean otherwise yeah yeah and there were

2162
01:25:55,610 --> 01:25:53,880
other uh proto-humans as well that

2163
01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:55,620
didn't quite make it they didn't make it

2164
01:25:59,990 --> 01:25:57,600
uh or we may have intermarried with them

2165
01:26:02,030 --> 01:26:00,000
or evolved with them into what we are

2166
01:26:05,209 --> 01:26:02,040
now yeah right Homo sapiens sapiens with

2167
01:26:07,729 --> 01:26:05,219
other uh sapiens uh species

2168
01:26:09,709 --> 01:26:07,739
um so yeah it's a complicated story uh

2169
01:26:12,890 --> 01:26:09,719
but isn't it I find it

2170
01:26:14,570 --> 01:26:12,900
interesting that when we look at like

2171
01:26:17,450 --> 01:26:14,580
well the nordics are obvious because

2172
01:26:18,290 --> 01:26:17,460
they look more closer to us

2173
01:26:21,410 --> 01:26:18,300
um

2174
01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:21,420
but if you look at like even the gray

2175
01:26:25,490 --> 01:26:23,040
um they're kind of humanoid in the sense

2176
01:26:27,830 --> 01:26:25,500
that have a head of torso two arms and

2177
01:26:30,110 --> 01:26:27,840
two legs two eyes

2178
01:26:31,370 --> 01:26:30,120
little slits for nostrils but everything

2179
01:26:33,709 --> 01:26:31,380
is there where it's supposed to be

2180
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:33,719
essentially

2181
01:26:39,890 --> 01:26:36,719
um so there's a lot of similarities in

2182
01:26:43,729 --> 01:26:39,900
what people experience as non-human and

2183
01:26:47,090 --> 01:26:43,739
humans so I don't know if everyone got a

2184
01:26:49,070 --> 01:26:47,100
chance at helping us quote unquote with

2185
01:26:50,830 --> 01:26:49,080
their DNA but we seem to be closer to

2186
01:26:53,810 --> 01:26:50,840
the nordics than than any other

2187
01:26:55,250 --> 01:26:53,820
non-humans uh maybe the nordics are

2188
01:26:58,310 --> 01:26:55,260
humans maybe they've been here longer

2189
01:26:59,629 --> 01:26:58,320
than we have I don't know good points I

2190
01:27:01,370 --> 01:26:59,639
I don't know you made an interesting

2191
01:27:03,169 --> 01:27:01,380
point on another show in terms of like

2192
01:27:05,390 --> 01:27:03,179
Evolution and things like that and I

2193
01:27:07,850 --> 01:27:05,400
think the cult was like if dinosaurs

2194
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:07,860
survived in a parallel universe and came

2195
01:27:13,250 --> 01:27:10,560
back could that explain some things that

2196
01:27:15,530 --> 01:27:13,260
we're seeing I think reptilians yeah we

2197
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:15,540
don't know um that's all speculation

2198
01:27:18,830 --> 01:27:17,520
there's nothing I know personally from

2199
01:27:21,590 --> 01:27:18,840
anything the government knows

2200
01:27:23,750 --> 01:27:21,600
professionally I have no idea yeah it's

2201
01:27:25,850 --> 01:27:23,760
fun to speculate though and I you know I

2202
01:27:28,010 --> 01:27:25,860
tell people a lot of things I say you

2203
01:27:29,270 --> 01:27:28,020
know I had to like sort this out for

2204
01:27:32,270 --> 01:27:29,280
myself

2205
01:27:35,149 --> 01:27:32,280
I had to bring it into terms that made

2206
01:27:38,990 --> 01:27:35,159
sense so like I myself personally could

2207
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:39,000
handle it otherwise I would like to be

2208
01:27:46,370 --> 01:27:42,960
in a compulsive obsessive mode of trying

2209
01:27:48,530 --> 01:27:46,380
to like put pieces together and like

2210
01:27:50,750 --> 01:27:48,540
spending my entire life doing it you

2211
01:27:53,390 --> 01:27:50,760
know and I'm telling people just live

2212
01:27:55,310 --> 01:27:53,400
your life and put together your own

2213
01:27:57,530 --> 01:27:55,320
Theory of Everything it doesn't have to

2214
01:27:59,689 --> 01:27:57,540
be right for anyone else except yourself

2215
01:28:01,129 --> 01:27:59,699
and so if you have your own theory of

2216
01:28:02,930 --> 01:28:01,139
everything and this is the way things

2217
01:28:05,149 --> 01:28:02,940
are and it could be more of a

2218
01:28:07,490 --> 01:28:05,159
traditional religious kind of thing uh

2219
01:28:09,169 --> 01:28:07,500
toward Western Christianity that's fine

2220
01:28:10,850 --> 01:28:09,179
if you can live with that and this is

2221
01:28:13,970 --> 01:28:10,860
the way it is and this is why things are

2222
01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:13,980
and with my own personal Theory of

2223
01:28:18,350 --> 01:28:16,080
Everything which I've more openly

2224
01:28:20,450 --> 01:28:18,360
discussed in these podcasts you know

2225
01:28:21,410 --> 01:28:20,460
find one for yourself and just stick

2226
01:28:26,330 --> 01:28:21,420
with it

2227
01:28:28,070 --> 01:28:26,340
information and then you can change it

2228
01:28:29,870 --> 01:28:28,080
you just then don't let anyone convince

2229
01:28:31,490 --> 01:28:29,880
you that something is wrong with you

2230
01:28:33,709 --> 01:28:31,500
because of your beliefs

2231
01:28:35,990 --> 01:28:33,719
no no one challenges people's religious

2232
01:28:37,790 --> 01:28:36,000
beliefs everybody wants to challenge

2233
01:28:39,890 --> 01:28:37,800
everyone's

2234
01:28:42,050 --> 01:28:39,900
uh

2235
01:28:44,149 --> 01:28:42,060
ET beliefs you know you know that means

2236
01:28:46,310 --> 01:28:44,159
I don't know why that is and it's so

2237
01:28:48,709 --> 01:28:46,320
complex that you know we we can't

2238
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:48,719
there's no people State absolutes

2239
01:28:52,729 --> 01:28:51,360
unfortunately in this field uh there are

2240
01:28:54,590 --> 01:28:52,739
some people that right now because

2241
01:28:56,270 --> 01:28:54,600
disclosures I think is coming at hand

2242
01:28:58,129 --> 01:28:56,280
there's two people who pop to my I'm not

2243
01:29:00,350 --> 01:28:58,139
going to name them but they're like look

2244
01:29:01,669 --> 01:29:00,360
at me look at me I'm Mr disclosure I'm

2245
01:29:04,250 --> 01:29:01,679
the one who's gonna have all the answers

2246
01:29:06,410 --> 01:29:04,260
and that's not how it's going to work we

2247
01:29:08,689 --> 01:29:06,420
need to all work together as a group of

2248
01:29:10,610 --> 01:29:08,699
people like yourself that have served

2249
01:29:12,350 --> 01:29:10,620
their country and citizens that have

2250
01:29:14,810 --> 01:29:12,360
experienced in this we all collectively

2251
01:29:16,550 --> 01:29:14,820
like you ever see somebody that or a

2252
01:29:18,709 --> 01:29:16,560
corporation or somebody says hey can I

2253
01:29:20,810 --> 01:29:18,719
get the general population to help us

2254
01:29:23,629 --> 01:29:20,820
out with this issue and some people are

2255
01:29:25,970 --> 01:29:23,639
amazing like even the CGI for Star Wars

2256
01:29:28,910 --> 01:29:25,980
some kid in his basement did better CGI

2257
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:28,920
for Star Wars than Star Wars did and so

2258
01:29:32,570 --> 01:29:30,960
you know given that information to the

2259
01:29:34,250 --> 01:29:32,580
general population and letting people

2260
01:29:37,310 --> 01:29:34,260
that are creative that can think outside

2261
01:29:38,930 --> 01:29:37,320
the box in on it that's how we're going

2262
01:29:41,750 --> 01:29:38,940
to make progress like imagine if we had

2263
01:29:43,850 --> 01:29:41,760
a guy like Nicola Tesla alive today that

2264
01:29:45,590 --> 01:29:43,860
was investigating this phenomenon how

2265
01:29:47,510 --> 01:29:45,600
much further we would be along right

2266
01:29:50,330 --> 01:29:47,520
because of the way he thought and looked

2267
01:29:51,830 --> 01:29:50,340
at things so yeah it's so interesting

2268
01:29:54,050 --> 01:29:51,840
you made a valid point there people

2269
01:29:55,850 --> 01:29:54,060
attack everybody and we don't know

2270
01:29:58,129 --> 01:29:55,860
what's going on we're all just swinging

2271
01:30:00,950 --> 01:29:58,139
away like idiots yeah

2272
01:30:03,050 --> 01:30:00,960
um yeah yeah I have a Krista Alexander

2273
01:30:04,010 --> 01:30:03,060
uh one of our friends as well she said

2274
01:30:06,950 --> 01:30:04,020
um you mentioned that government

2275
01:30:09,470 --> 01:30:06,960
employees refer to uaps as entities of

2276
01:30:11,810 --> 01:30:09,480
light does that mean actual conscious

2277
01:30:14,750 --> 01:30:11,820
beings made of light and what are they

2278
01:30:17,090 --> 01:30:14,760
what are the implications oh uh some

2279
01:30:19,430 --> 01:30:17,100
uaps manifest themselves as light orbs

2280
01:30:22,430 --> 01:30:19,440
that's that's what I said okay and there

2281
01:30:25,610 --> 01:30:22,440
are light orbs and um that is what most

2282
01:30:28,250 --> 01:30:25,620
people are seeing today a few see uh

2283
01:30:30,110 --> 01:30:28,260
structured craft as we call it

2284
01:30:32,990 --> 01:30:30,120
um when it's last time anyone reported

2285
01:30:35,149 --> 01:30:33,000
seeing a saucer shape right it's been a

2286
01:30:37,070 --> 01:30:35,159
while yeah yeah now they're we're seeing

2287
01:30:38,510 --> 01:30:37,080
light orbs they're manifesting as light

2288
01:30:41,450 --> 01:30:38,520
orbs

2289
01:30:46,189 --> 01:30:41,460
um and what I said that the government

2290
01:30:48,910 --> 01:30:46,199
is aware that these light orbs have some

2291
01:30:52,550 --> 01:30:48,920
aspect with consciousness

2292
01:30:56,570 --> 01:30:52,560
and there I give credit to Dr Stephen

2293
01:30:59,149 --> 01:30:56,580
Greer because he had a film called uh

2294
01:31:01,189 --> 01:30:59,159
Close Encounters of the fifth kind and

2295
01:31:02,629 --> 01:31:01,199
in that film he made an accurate

2296
01:31:05,330 --> 01:31:02,639
statement that the government became

2297
01:31:07,189 --> 01:31:05,340
interested in this earnestly it went to

2298
01:31:09,410 --> 01:31:07,199
another level when it discovered that

2299
01:31:11,930 --> 01:31:09,420
there was a higher Consciousness aspect

2300
01:31:13,850 --> 01:31:11,940
to this phenomenon and that is a true

2301
01:31:16,850 --> 01:31:13,860
statement so something about

2302
01:31:18,110 --> 01:31:16,860
Consciousness and this phenomenon is

2303
01:31:20,510 --> 01:31:18,120
associated

2304
01:31:23,090 --> 01:31:20,520
and that's that's what I was saying and

2305
01:31:24,890 --> 01:31:23,100
uh this needs to come forward later as

2306
01:31:26,330 --> 01:31:24,900
part of disclosure right now with just a

2307
01:31:29,149 --> 01:31:26,340
big hurdle it's just saying not human

2308
01:31:32,030 --> 01:31:29,159
right officially from the government you

2309
01:31:35,330 --> 01:31:32,040
know non-human to have someone who was

2310
01:31:38,570 --> 01:31:35,340
in a position of authority as like a

2311
01:31:40,370 --> 01:31:38,580
head of an intelligence agency or uh a

2312
01:31:44,110 --> 01:31:40,380
secretary of a cabinet level department

2313
01:31:47,030 --> 01:31:44,120
to say non-human that that is huge

2314
01:31:49,850 --> 01:31:47,040
uh a huge emission and we let's go there

2315
01:31:51,410 --> 01:31:49,860
first but I think unless we explore the

2316
01:31:52,850 --> 01:31:51,420
higher Consciousness aspect of this

2317
01:31:54,169 --> 01:31:52,860
phenomenon

2318
01:31:55,669 --> 01:31:54,179
um this will go nowhere because it's

2319
01:31:57,229 --> 01:31:55,679
just things flying in the sky and who

2320
01:31:59,450 --> 01:31:57,239
cares about that okay they're flying in

2321
01:32:02,689 --> 01:31:59,460
the sky but why are they here

2322
01:32:05,090 --> 01:32:02,699
um and why are they interacting with us

2323
01:32:06,729 --> 01:32:05,100
what's the message they want us to

2324
01:32:09,350 --> 01:32:06,739
understand to learn

2325
01:32:10,970 --> 01:32:09,360
what is the lesson to learn and I think

2326
01:32:13,070 --> 01:32:10,980
that's important where Consciousness

2327
01:32:14,270 --> 01:32:13,080
comes into play and I wanted to convey

2328
01:32:18,290 --> 01:32:14,280
that

2329
01:32:20,870 --> 01:32:18,300
nice uh our friend Russell uh Pickering

2330
01:32:24,290 --> 01:32:20,880
Louis he asked do you do you consider

2331
01:32:26,930 --> 01:32:24,300
ce5 contact like casual experience

2332
01:32:31,669 --> 01:32:26,940
Seekers safe

2333
01:32:34,189 --> 01:32:31,679
it depends on how you approach ce5

2334
01:32:35,930 --> 01:32:34,199
and I would say that

2335
01:32:38,390 --> 01:32:35,940
um

2336
01:32:41,810 --> 01:32:38,400
and Stephen Greer is a Dr Steven Greer

2337
01:32:45,010 --> 01:32:41,820
is a good uh resource for this he he has

2338
01:32:47,450 --> 01:32:45,020
held the ce5 encounters out where he

2339
01:32:51,110 --> 01:32:47,460
facilitated the encounter

2340
01:32:53,870 --> 01:32:51,120
and people there have seen

2341
01:32:56,390 --> 01:32:53,880
uh these orbs of light

2342
01:32:58,189 --> 01:32:56,400
and other people also at that same

2343
01:32:59,510 --> 01:32:58,199
Gathering looking at the same place see

2344
01:33:01,729 --> 01:32:59,520
nothing

2345
01:33:03,530 --> 01:33:01,739
it's almost like you have to be open to

2346
01:33:06,169 --> 01:33:03,540
the experience in order to experience it

2347
01:33:09,229 --> 01:33:06,179
and if you come with fear if you come

2348
01:33:12,350 --> 01:33:09,239
with doubt and fear you might not have

2349
01:33:13,189 --> 01:33:12,360
that same experience

2350
01:33:16,910 --> 01:33:13,199
um

2351
01:33:20,209 --> 01:33:16,920
let me go to skinwalker's Ranch for a

2352
01:33:24,189 --> 01:33:20,219
second there and there you have

2353
01:33:27,530 --> 01:33:24,199
defense intelligence agency officers

2354
01:33:30,169 --> 01:33:27,540
who spend their careers looking at

2355
01:33:32,090 --> 01:33:30,179
adversarial foreign technology

2356
01:33:35,629 --> 01:33:32,100
and not necessarily from a point of fear

2357
01:33:37,729 --> 01:33:35,639
but adversarial that it's the enemy and

2358
01:33:39,709 --> 01:33:37,739
you have that mindset with anything like

2359
01:33:42,290 --> 01:33:39,719
that and you bring your instruments

2360
01:33:44,149 --> 01:33:42,300
there to make measurements

2361
01:33:46,669 --> 01:33:44,159
and then all of a sudden that phenomenon

2362
01:33:49,430 --> 01:33:46,679
presents itself as something bad to

2363
01:33:52,330 --> 01:33:49,440
something uh evil something like

2364
01:33:54,890 --> 01:33:52,340
dangerous well you brought that with you

2365
01:33:57,770 --> 01:33:54,900
yeah and you're going to take it back

2366
01:33:58,910 --> 01:33:57,780
home with you if that's if that is your

2367
01:34:00,890 --> 01:33:58,920
perspective

2368
01:34:02,930 --> 01:34:00,900
but that didn't happen to me and to

2369
01:34:04,850 --> 01:34:02,940
others who come with like more openness

2370
01:34:07,729 --> 01:34:04,860
because I had an earlier encounter with

2371
01:34:10,189 --> 01:34:07,739
the phenomenon I welcomed it and the

2372
01:34:12,890 --> 01:34:10,199
only disappointment I had was that they

2373
01:34:13,729 --> 01:34:12,900
did not let me go that I had to come

2374
01:34:16,490 --> 01:34:13,739
back

2375
01:34:17,930 --> 01:34:16,500
so I I don't like the word abducted I

2376
01:34:21,229 --> 01:34:17,940
can understand that if you think it's

2377
01:34:23,870 --> 01:34:21,239
involuntary yes it's abduction perhaps

2378
01:34:25,070 --> 01:34:23,880
I was taken and I was upset I was

2379
01:34:26,510 --> 01:34:25,080
brought back because I don't want to be

2380
01:34:29,030 --> 01:34:26,520
on this planet I want to like take a

2381
01:34:31,010 --> 01:34:29,040
ride with them I mean if I told my wife

2382
01:34:34,550 --> 01:34:31,020
and my wife have a and I have a pack and

2383
01:34:36,709 --> 01:34:34,560
if they pick us up adios goal we gave

2384
01:34:40,250 --> 01:34:36,719
our permission to go you know canceled

2385
01:34:41,870 --> 01:34:40,260
my Netflix yeah well 90 of experiencers

2386
01:34:44,270 --> 01:34:41,880
say that they would want to do it again

2387
01:34:45,890 --> 01:34:44,280
it was labeled 10 of people said it was

2388
01:34:48,649 --> 01:34:45,900
the worst experience of their life the

2389
01:34:51,410 --> 01:34:48,659
rest even if it seems strange or wasn't

2390
01:34:52,970 --> 01:34:51,420
comfortable even Whitley strieber like

2391
01:34:54,350 --> 01:34:52,980
he has a hard time sleeping and all the

2392
01:34:57,229 --> 01:34:54,360
rest and he's gone through some stuff

2393
01:34:58,550 --> 01:34:57,239
but he's not running and hiding like if

2394
01:35:00,530 --> 01:34:58,560
they said hey Whitley like we're gonna

2395
01:35:03,350 --> 01:35:00,540
level with you and tell you exactly why

2396
01:35:04,790 --> 01:35:03,360
do you want to know oh yeah he wants to

2397
01:35:07,490 --> 01:35:04,800
know and he would probably do it again

2398
01:35:09,649 --> 01:35:07,500
if yeah if given the chance yeah I would

2399
01:35:11,930 --> 01:35:09,659
say before you go into C5 you jump in a

2400
01:35:13,729 --> 01:35:11,940
cold uh learn something about mindful

2401
01:35:16,070 --> 01:35:13,739
meditation have a meditation practice

2402
01:35:18,890 --> 01:35:16,080
for yourself

2403
01:35:21,110 --> 01:35:18,900
um and there are ways to do it uh my

2404
01:35:23,270 --> 01:35:21,120
good friend Glenn younger uh in Italy

2405
01:35:25,010 --> 01:35:23,280
she has a wonderful YouTube video I'll

2406
01:35:26,990 --> 01:35:25,020
send you the links later if you want to

2407
01:35:28,790 --> 01:35:27,000
post it it's a great way to learn how to

2408
01:35:31,070 --> 01:35:28,800
meditate you get your mind in that place

2409
01:35:33,649 --> 01:35:31,080
and you just got to do it right takes

2410
01:35:36,530 --> 01:35:33,659
practice again practice meditation and

2411
01:35:38,450 --> 01:35:36,540
you you'll flow into it naturally and

2412
01:35:39,830 --> 01:35:38,460
then go have your ce5 experience and

2413
01:35:41,930 --> 01:35:39,840
then you'll start getting messages

2414
01:35:43,790 --> 01:35:41,940
because if you're there and see if I

2415
01:35:45,890 --> 01:35:43,800
have just to say prove me prove to me

2416
01:35:49,129 --> 01:35:45,900
that you're real that's not gonna happen

2417
01:35:50,090 --> 01:35:49,139
for you yeah you go there to say I'm

2418
01:35:54,950 --> 01:35:50,100
here

2419
01:35:56,629 --> 01:35:54,960
humbly and I accept your presence and if

2420
01:35:59,209 --> 01:35:56,639
you have anything to share with me

2421
01:36:00,649 --> 01:35:59,219
please share it yeah for my good and for

2422
01:36:02,570 --> 01:36:00,659
the good of others come with that

2423
01:36:04,669 --> 01:36:02,580
attitude and you have a very positive

2424
01:36:06,770 --> 01:36:04,679
experience yeah you wouldn't mess around

2425
01:36:08,570 --> 01:36:06,780
with a Ouija board and be sprinkling

2426
01:36:10,729 --> 01:36:08,580
ashes and blood on the thing trying to

2427
01:36:12,290 --> 01:36:10,739
make some spookiness happen it's gonna

2428
01:36:14,090 --> 01:36:12,300
happen it's gonna happen yeah you're

2429
01:36:16,129 --> 01:36:14,100
gonna get a hitchhiker effect from it if

2430
01:36:18,169 --> 01:36:16,139
you're not strong mentally even the ones

2431
01:36:19,970 --> 01:36:18,179
that are that are very good at it and a

2432
01:36:22,370 --> 01:36:19,980
lot of remote viewers they have things

2433
01:36:23,930 --> 01:36:22,380
that have clung to them as a result of

2434
01:36:25,850 --> 01:36:23,940
messing around with that stuff and

2435
01:36:28,010 --> 01:36:25,860
they're like professional if you could

2436
01:36:29,750 --> 01:36:28,020
say such a thing right so the average

2437
01:36:32,870 --> 01:36:29,760
Joe probably should have a healthy

2438
01:36:34,610 --> 01:36:32,880
respect for you know it's like like a

2439
01:36:36,950 --> 01:36:34,620
hurricane you don't want to be near one

2440
01:36:39,410 --> 01:36:36,960
but you respect nature because you see

2441
01:36:41,149 --> 01:36:39,420
what it can do so go at it with an open

2442
01:36:43,129 --> 01:36:41,159
mind humble attitude and you probably

2443
01:36:44,810 --> 01:36:43,139
get get more out of it right that's what

2444
01:36:46,729 --> 01:36:44,820
you're looking for great Point great

2445
01:36:48,950 --> 01:36:46,739
points Louis yeah absolutely

2446
01:36:51,050 --> 01:36:48,960
take your Consciousness welcoming

2447
01:36:53,209 --> 01:36:51,060
another Consciousness to make

2448
01:36:55,250 --> 01:36:53,219
interaction with you regardless of your

2449
01:36:57,169 --> 01:36:55,260
physicality right I heard at one time

2450
01:36:59,570 --> 01:36:57,179
explain where you know now people are

2451
01:37:02,209 --> 01:36:59,580
doing these psilocybin micro doses or

2452
01:37:03,890 --> 01:37:02,219
DDP or things like that back maybe 15

2453
01:37:07,070 --> 01:37:03,900
years ago there was a substance called

2454
01:37:10,430 --> 01:37:07,080
Salvia and it was a shamanic herb and

2455
01:37:13,250 --> 01:37:10,440
people smoked it and I was actually in a

2456
01:37:15,050 --> 01:37:13,260
part of Vancouver which is very eclectic

2457
01:37:17,030 --> 01:37:15,060
there's a lot of like crystal shops and

2458
01:37:18,649 --> 01:37:17,040
things like that and I walked by and

2459
01:37:20,390 --> 01:37:18,659
they were selling it and I thought it

2460
01:37:22,310 --> 01:37:20,400
was illegal so I didn't want to have any

2461
01:37:24,110 --> 01:37:22,320
I just asked the guy like tell me a

2462
01:37:26,290 --> 01:37:24,120
little bit about this stuff and he says

2463
01:37:28,610 --> 01:37:26,300
people that use it

2464
01:37:31,250 --> 01:37:28,620
searching for answers or seeking

2465
01:37:33,410 --> 01:37:31,260
something you'll get an answer if you're

2466
01:37:35,270 --> 01:37:33,420
smoking this just to get high it will

2467
01:37:36,649 --> 01:37:35,280
scare the life out of you because it's

2468
01:37:37,970 --> 01:37:36,659
trying to tell you don't mess with

2469
01:37:40,010 --> 01:37:37,980
things that you shouldn't be messing

2470
01:37:42,410 --> 01:37:40,020
with so I think it's very much like that

2471
01:37:44,689 --> 01:37:42,420
you know like it can be used equally for

2472
01:37:47,090 --> 01:37:44,699
enlightenment or to scare the out

2473
01:37:48,470 --> 01:37:47,100
of you so Choose Wisely how do if you

2474
01:37:49,610 --> 01:37:48,480
want to go and who because you don't

2475
01:37:51,770 --> 01:37:49,620
know who you're playing with essentially

2476
01:37:55,370 --> 01:37:51,780
right right yeah and it works because

2477
01:37:57,410 --> 01:37:55,380
what you want to do is is

2478
01:38:00,410 --> 01:37:57,420
I don't know if separate is the right

2479
01:38:02,270 --> 01:38:00,420
word but I think displace I'll use this

2480
01:38:05,030 --> 01:38:02,280
place you want to displace your physical

2481
01:38:06,950 --> 01:38:05,040
senses from your Consciousness right

2482
01:38:08,990 --> 01:38:06,960
because you're so restricted by what you

2483
01:38:10,310 --> 01:38:09,000
can see smell touch here you know so

2484
01:38:12,970 --> 01:38:10,320
forth

2485
01:38:15,950 --> 01:38:12,980
um that that's where you go to and so

2486
01:38:18,590 --> 01:38:15,960
these are like psychoactive ways of

2487
01:38:20,510 --> 01:38:18,600
achieving that right you can do it I'm

2488
01:38:22,490 --> 01:38:20,520
saying that you don't need to

2489
01:38:24,229 --> 01:38:22,500
um it could help but you don't need to

2490
01:38:26,750 --> 01:38:24,239
if you you can do it through meditation

2491
01:38:30,470 --> 01:38:26,760
as well if you master meditation you get

2492
01:38:33,169 --> 01:38:30,480
the same results also uh call Tropic

2493
01:38:35,390 --> 01:38:33,179
breathing this breath exercise you can

2494
01:38:37,550 --> 01:38:35,400
do to put you in that state John Mack

2495
01:38:38,870 --> 01:38:37,560
used to do that didn't he or did he did

2496
01:38:40,010 --> 01:38:38,880
yeah yeah I think he did like a

2497
01:38:42,050 --> 01:38:40,020
breathing exercise that's how we

2498
01:38:43,610 --> 01:38:42,060
hypnotize people too he wouldn't do the

2499
01:38:46,669 --> 01:38:43,620
breath work yeah yeah the breath work

2500
01:38:49,070 --> 01:38:46,679
does help yeah uh okay one more question

2501
01:38:51,050 --> 01:38:49,080
this is uh By the way when we asked

2502
01:38:53,090 --> 01:38:51,060
people to submit their questions on

2503
01:38:55,010 --> 01:38:53,100
Twitter it lit up like a Christmas tree

2504
01:38:56,570 --> 01:38:55,020
like it went people went nuts right they

2505
01:38:58,490 --> 01:38:56,580
know you only doing two more interviews

2506
01:39:00,470 --> 01:38:58,500
so they want to give those questions in

2507
01:39:02,090 --> 01:39:00,480
but one more after this we're uh right

2508
01:39:03,770 --> 01:39:02,100
we're second left I don't know if I'm

2509
01:39:05,629 --> 01:39:03,780
happier that we got you at the end or at

2510
01:39:08,450 --> 01:39:05,639
the beginning but we're just happy that

2511
01:39:10,010 --> 01:39:08,460
we got so I I think uh now I'm able to

2512
01:39:12,169 --> 01:39:10,020
say more than I could at the beginning

2513
01:39:14,209 --> 01:39:12,179
okay perfect everything happened for a

2514
01:39:16,430 --> 01:39:14,219
reason exactly

2515
01:39:18,709 --> 01:39:16,440
um this this question comes from I guess

2516
01:39:20,750 --> 01:39:18,719
is this how you pronounce it pyert on uh

2517
01:39:23,870 --> 01:39:20,760
Twitter but he says will the average

2518
01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:23,880
person in a mass scale have a direct

2519
01:39:29,689 --> 01:39:26,400
contact whether telepathically or some

2520
01:39:32,149 --> 01:39:29,699
other way with the phenomenon

2521
01:39:33,709 --> 01:39:32,159
on a mass scale on a mass scale like

2522
01:39:36,470 --> 01:39:33,719
after disclosure

2523
01:39:38,209 --> 01:39:36,480
will people have some sort of will

2524
01:39:39,890 --> 01:39:38,219
everybody get some sort of telepathic

2525
01:39:44,030 --> 01:39:39,900
because there's two disclosures there's

2526
01:39:46,129 --> 01:39:44,040
ours and theirs right right I'd say good

2527
01:39:48,590 --> 01:39:46,139
points uh Jason

2528
01:39:50,629 --> 01:39:48,600
um what we're gonna I think what the uh

2529
01:39:52,370 --> 01:39:50,639
the US government is going to disclose

2530
01:39:54,830 --> 01:39:52,380
is the presence of non-human

2531
01:39:57,290 --> 01:39:54,840
Intelligence on the planet uh the fact

2532
01:39:59,870 --> 01:39:57,300
that the craft we see uh is non-human

2533
01:40:01,870 --> 01:39:59,880
and also the fact that uh oh by the way

2534
01:40:05,090 --> 01:40:01,880
we try to make one

2535
01:40:07,490 --> 01:40:05,100
ourselves uh everything Dr Gary Nolan

2536
01:40:09,350 --> 01:40:07,500
stated uh I would go with that I think

2537
01:40:12,110 --> 01:40:09,360
he's very accurate in what he said yeah

2538
01:40:14,090 --> 01:40:12,120
I think that's what will be disclosed

2539
01:40:16,490 --> 01:40:14,100
um as far as the mass sighting yeah it's

2540
01:40:17,930 --> 01:40:16,500
pretty much up to them that's what I

2541
01:40:21,410 --> 01:40:17,940
hope for

2542
01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:21,420
I keep asking them you know you can

2543
01:40:29,390 --> 01:40:25,440
settle it right now just show slides 2.0

2544
01:40:31,850 --> 01:40:29,400
uh yeah like everywhere and

2545
01:40:35,330 --> 01:40:31,860
um the message I get back from them is

2546
01:40:37,490 --> 01:40:35,340
uh that now's not the time

2547
01:40:39,410 --> 01:40:37,500
you know we're not ready another Phoenix

2548
01:40:42,050 --> 01:40:39,420
light incident like what took place in

2549
01:40:44,270 --> 01:40:42,060
97. oh that happens again with the

2550
01:40:46,250 --> 01:40:44,280
technology that we have all the cell

2551
01:40:49,129 --> 01:40:46,260
phones like thousands of images of the

2552
01:40:51,169 --> 01:40:49,139
same object or or whatever like dude

2553
01:40:52,610 --> 01:40:51,179
that thing was massive

2554
01:40:54,350 --> 01:40:52,620
um you know something like that is going

2555
01:40:56,510 --> 01:40:54,360
to happen again we've had Mass sightings

2556
01:40:58,669 --> 01:40:56,520
throughout history it's just now we're

2557
01:41:00,050 --> 01:40:58,679
going to capture it and I think that is

2558
01:41:01,189 --> 01:41:00,060
going to solidify things that's one

2559
01:41:02,870 --> 01:41:01,199
thing that

2560
01:41:05,390 --> 01:41:02,880
you know whatever these clandestine

2561
01:41:07,370 --> 01:41:05,400
operations may be operating but they

2562
01:41:09,590 --> 01:41:07,380
can't control that they can't control

2563
01:41:11,149 --> 01:41:09,600
the inner comings of these entities and

2564
01:41:12,830 --> 01:41:11,159
what they're going to control yeah we

2565
01:41:14,870 --> 01:41:12,840
don't control the disclosure of them

2566
01:41:17,330 --> 01:41:14,880
they control that exactly no government

2567
01:41:18,770 --> 01:41:17,340
controls what they do

2568
01:41:19,910 --> 01:41:18,780
um but I don't think you know some

2569
01:41:22,010 --> 01:41:19,920
people think well they're here to

2570
01:41:24,169 --> 01:41:22,020
control us no

2571
01:41:25,610 --> 01:41:24,179
no they've done that already it's called

2572
01:41:29,090 --> 01:41:25,620
religion

2573
01:41:32,570 --> 01:41:29,100
um they've done that uh they imposed uh

2574
01:41:34,310 --> 01:41:32,580
a religious uh kind of uh way of dealing

2575
01:41:37,129 --> 01:41:34,320
with them way back when when they

2576
01:41:40,070 --> 01:41:37,139
instituted this institution called

2577
01:41:42,250 --> 01:41:40,080
kingship over us so it's the selected

2578
01:41:45,410 --> 01:41:42,260
certain humans to have kingship over us

2579
01:41:47,390 --> 01:41:45,420
queenship and Priests and Priestess

2580
01:41:49,669 --> 01:41:47,400
classes over us

2581
01:41:53,270 --> 01:41:49,679
and isn't it amazing though that we saw

2582
01:41:55,850 --> 01:41:53,280
the coordination of King Charles III he

2583
01:41:57,530 --> 01:41:55,860
held two things in his hand one is the

2584
01:41:59,870 --> 01:41:57,540
orb which represents his Earthly

2585
01:42:02,810 --> 01:41:59,880
Authority and the other is the scepter

2586
01:42:05,810 --> 01:42:02,820
which represents Divine Authority it's

2587
01:42:08,629 --> 01:42:05,820
the Divine Authority that is given to

2588
01:42:11,450 --> 01:42:08,639
him anointing him to have Earthly

2589
01:42:14,270 --> 01:42:11,460
Authority and that is symbolic of

2590
01:42:17,689 --> 01:42:14,280
rituals that existed since the first

2591
01:42:19,430 --> 01:42:17,699
leader of a cave group emerged out of

2592
01:42:23,030 --> 01:42:19,440
the cave to lead

2593
01:42:25,790 --> 01:42:23,040
the tribe I have rock yeah I have Rock

2594
01:42:28,850 --> 01:42:25,800
and I have stick basically that is a

2595
01:42:31,129 --> 01:42:28,860
recreation of that ritual right uh and

2596
01:42:32,870 --> 01:42:31,139
so there's kingship instituted uh

2597
01:42:34,270 --> 01:42:32,880
there's King and queenship institute

2598
01:42:36,830 --> 01:42:34,280
there's priests and priestesses

2599
01:42:38,990 --> 01:42:36,840
instituted and the priest and Priestess

2600
01:42:41,930 --> 01:42:39,000
class was there to help humans

2601
01:42:46,669 --> 01:42:41,940
understand the Divine to interpret the

2602
01:42:50,629 --> 01:42:46,679
Divine and to ordain the Earthly leader

2603
01:42:53,209 --> 01:42:50,639
to lead his or her people and that was

2604
01:42:56,390 --> 01:42:53,219
and if you go back into the Sumerian

2605
01:42:58,070 --> 01:42:56,400
texts if you read any of that it is said

2606
01:42:59,689 --> 01:42:58,080
that the Anunnaki instituted these

2607
01:43:01,609 --> 01:42:59,699
things not only do they gave the

2608
01:43:03,109 --> 01:43:01,619
Sumerians technology

2609
01:43:04,609 --> 01:43:03,119
um but they instituted these things long

2610
01:43:07,669 --> 01:43:04,619
time ago and it's been that ever since

2611
01:43:09,590 --> 01:43:07,679
it used to be more matriarchal and it

2612
01:43:11,870 --> 01:43:09,600
doesn't mean women will rule the Earth I

2613
01:43:14,930 --> 01:43:11,880
mean I said that in a previous interview

2614
01:43:16,910 --> 01:43:14,940
I had co-interview with Anjali Schultz

2615
01:43:18,410 --> 01:43:16,920
and I said uh one of the things that my

2616
01:43:19,910 --> 01:43:18,420
happiness and matriarchal society and

2617
01:43:21,950 --> 01:43:19,920
people interpret that immediately is

2618
01:43:23,750 --> 01:43:21,960
saying oh John says that all women will

2619
01:43:25,370 --> 01:43:23,760
rule the Earth as Amazons or something

2620
01:43:27,709 --> 01:43:25,380
that is ridiculous I'm saying

2621
01:43:30,169 --> 01:43:27,719
matriarchal in the sense that instead of

2622
01:43:31,370 --> 01:43:30,179
having this adversarial like uh mind is

2623
01:43:34,430 --> 01:43:31,380
bigger than yours which is very

2624
01:43:36,410 --> 01:43:34,440
male-like uh it's more coming from a

2625
01:43:38,270 --> 01:43:36,420
place of compassion that we're looking

2626
01:43:39,830 --> 01:43:38,280
at each other as humans in a

2627
01:43:43,129 --> 01:43:39,840
compassionate sense as a loving sense

2628
01:43:44,750 --> 01:43:43,139
that's a mother uh nurtures a child and

2629
01:43:46,609 --> 01:43:44,760
loves a child that will have this

2630
01:43:48,470 --> 01:43:46,619
relationship with each other which is

2631
01:43:51,970 --> 01:43:48,480
necessary for us to we've got to get rid

2632
01:43:54,530 --> 01:43:51,980
of all these human like instituted

2633
01:43:56,149 --> 01:43:54,540
biases and prejudices based on the way

2634
01:43:58,010 --> 01:43:56,159
we look

2635
01:44:00,410 --> 01:43:58,020
um you know our national origin our

2636
01:44:02,870 --> 01:44:00,420
belief systems how much money we have in

2637
01:44:05,450 --> 01:44:02,880
the bank at all that's your status yeah

2638
01:44:08,209 --> 01:44:05,460
yeah that's ridiculous we see ourselves

2639
01:44:11,209 --> 01:44:08,219
as humans that we have so much in common

2640
01:44:11,990 --> 01:44:11,219
and we see them if they appear and how

2641
01:44:15,169 --> 01:44:12,000
much

2642
01:44:17,330 --> 01:44:15,179
we don't have in common you know that we

2643
01:44:20,629 --> 01:44:17,340
will come together and they're not here

2644
01:44:21,950 --> 01:44:20,639
to take us over that's ridiculous

2645
01:44:23,629 --> 01:44:21,960
um they did that long time ago by

2646
01:44:25,669 --> 01:44:23,639
instituting human institutions you know

2647
01:44:27,530 --> 01:44:25,679
to help us rule ourselves and they've

2648
01:44:29,209 --> 01:44:27,540
been here all the time to guide us to

2649
01:44:31,370 --> 01:44:29,219
keep us from blowing ourselves apart

2650
01:44:33,050 --> 01:44:31,380
with nuclear weapons is one of the

2651
01:44:35,990 --> 01:44:33,060
lessons that they taught us you know

2652
01:44:37,729 --> 01:44:36,000
right um and I'm here to say that I hope

2653
01:44:39,290 --> 01:44:37,739
one of the things that will be disclosed

2654
01:44:40,970 --> 01:44:39,300
is that everything that happened at

2655
01:44:43,970 --> 01:44:40,980
Maelstrom Air Force Base

2656
01:44:45,950 --> 01:44:43,980
was real that yeah they actually you

2657
01:44:49,129 --> 01:44:45,960
know it's been

2658
01:44:50,689 --> 01:44:49,139
mostly in anecdotes you know people say

2659
01:44:53,450 --> 01:44:50,699
that this happened but the government

2660
01:44:55,490 --> 01:44:53,460
has never officially said yeah it

2661
01:44:57,709 --> 01:44:55,500
happened we know it happened you know we

2662
01:45:00,050 --> 01:44:57,719
know these these incidents have happened

2663
01:45:02,930 --> 01:45:00,060
and not only at our nuclear missile

2664
01:45:05,689 --> 01:45:02,940
bases but also uh where we have the

2665
01:45:07,310 --> 01:45:05,699
department of energy National lats which

2666
01:45:10,310 --> 01:45:07,320
work on like

2667
01:45:12,470 --> 01:45:10,320
nuclear technology Nuclear Physics these

2668
01:45:14,689 --> 01:45:12,480
things happen you know well Samos

2669
01:45:16,430 --> 01:45:14,699
National Labs and all the National Labs

2670
01:45:18,669 --> 01:45:16,440
they see the phenomena

2671
01:45:21,530 --> 01:45:18,679
they need to admit that you know because

2672
01:45:23,930 --> 01:45:21,540
our stewardship of the planet is very

2673
01:45:26,149 --> 01:45:23,940
important to them as well as to us yeah

2674
01:45:27,770 --> 01:45:26,159
and they've been here if they're here as

2675
01:45:28,850 --> 01:45:27,780
Gary Nolan says they've been here a long

2676
01:45:30,830 --> 01:45:28,860
time folks

2677
01:45:33,050 --> 01:45:30,840
it's their planet and our planet and

2678
01:45:34,850 --> 01:45:33,060
they don't want us to blow up our planet

2679
01:45:36,890 --> 01:45:34,860
which is also their Planet they live on

2680
01:45:37,790 --> 01:45:36,900
yeah so I think that's part of the

2681
01:45:40,310 --> 01:45:37,800
lesson

2682
01:45:43,310 --> 01:45:40,320
that they're trying to convey it's as if

2683
01:45:44,810 --> 01:45:43,320
chimpanzees developed science and then

2684
01:45:47,390 --> 01:45:44,820
they start blowing each other up with

2685
01:45:49,129 --> 01:45:47,400
nuclear bombs we would intervene we

2686
01:45:50,990 --> 01:45:49,139
would be like wait wait we live here too

2687
01:45:53,510 --> 01:45:51,000
you guys can't do that it's a similar

2688
01:45:55,669 --> 01:45:53,520
concept right absolutely that's a good

2689
01:45:58,550 --> 01:45:55,679
analogies thanks Jason feel free to use

2690
01:46:00,169 --> 01:45:58,560
it yeah absolutely uh John it's a

2691
01:46:01,669 --> 01:46:00,179
pleasure to talk with you sir it really

2692
01:46:03,290 --> 01:46:01,679
is uh Louis do you have any final

2693
01:46:04,910 --> 01:46:03,300
questions for our guests today just a

2694
01:46:06,470 --> 01:46:04,920
big thanks John we really appreciate

2695
01:46:08,090 --> 01:46:06,480
your time and I know you're a busy guy

2696
01:46:10,250 --> 01:46:08,100
you've done a lot of these shows you're

2697
01:46:11,990 --> 01:46:10,260
very candid you answer honestly we

2698
01:46:14,450 --> 01:46:12,000
appreciate that you didn't make us work

2699
01:46:16,430 --> 01:46:14,460
hard to get some goods and our viewers

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01:46:18,109 --> 01:46:16,440
will appreciate that as well uh we're

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excited about the news that you've

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alluded to that disclosure is coming I

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think this is very positive and we'd

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love to see you back again after

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disclosure if that's uh you're taking a

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bit of a rest and then coming back in

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please let's hit you the first time on

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your next tour not the second last time

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yes uh thanks very much Louie and Jason

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for having me uh again uh it's a it's a

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privilege to be

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um on the UAP studies podcast uh and

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especially since I know all your other

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guests are so much more well informed

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than I am and uh it goes along amongst

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them you belong well well thank you I

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always say this after disclosure

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um there probably be a lot more

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interesting people you would want to

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talk about other than me

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01:47:00,649 --> 01:46:58,380
they'll be coming forth that people your

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audience have never heard from Bring It

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On coming on absolutely this is what

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this is for right this yeah absolutely

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so we'll get everyone in our viewer uh

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world right now give us some comments

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let us know what your thoughts are again

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if you have any questions for John and

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his next tour send them our way we'll be

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happy to send them off and uh if you do

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bring on these amazing uh interviews you

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you for it thanks for supporting the

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show and thanks again John it was an